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SrI:

Dear SrI.Vishnu,

aDiyEn was struggling with the same question during my initial 
stages. 

Although reaching around 40, aDiyEn is not a senior-in-sampradAya 
matters, as I spent my earlier times going after so many confusing 
philosophies.

However, I've got my answers from a few scholars which I've to share 
with you, although I'm in the learning process. (Again, I'm prone to 
mistakes.... )

There are supposed to be 8.4 million types of beings in the world, 
belonging to various species, classes and races. Within each 
category, you've countable (like human beings) and infinite living 
beings.

Also, sampradAyam says that an object which has a form & name has a 
jeevan too (recall 'dhadhipAnDan's claypot), although it is 
in 'dormant' state.(Its dharma-bhUta gnyAnam has shrunk)

Do we have jeevans only in this world? 
No. They are everywhere. They spread in all the seven lOkAs and in 
nithya vibhUti.

Only the nithyAs and mukthAs do not take birth in bhUlOkam (but they 
can appear here, as per the tiruvuLLam of the Lord to guide the 
suffering beings).

The jeevans in the leelA vibhUti(which includes chaturmukha brahma 
lOkam, rudra lOkam, svarga lOkam, naraga lOkam etc.) are subject to 
the cycle of birth-and-death. They are born as any species based on 
their karma-vinai and as per the sankalpam of the Lord. (B.G: The 
Lord places a gharbam in a yOni)

So, we should not consider only bhUloka jeevans and in particular 
only the human beings.

So, they remain infinite (Please include all those objects which have 
form and name).


If kulasEkhara AzhvAr says in a pAsuram that he wants to become a 
step-stone(paDikkaTTu) in tirumalA, it has a meaning in sampradAyam.

If an AzhvAr says that he is an 'angrirENu' of a bhAgavathA, it 
refers to a 'lucky jeevan' in sampradAyam. 

Hope this helps to comprehend the count(?) of jeevans and the 
different form of births they are subjected to undergo.(Exclude the 
reverred-citizens of nithya vibhUti)


bhAgavatAngrirENu,
Mukundan










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