Samin, Independence is there and free will is there for all of us. That is the sensual reality part of our lives. Go deeper, you find that all is by his will. Someone asked a villager where is your GOD. He said he will help me in despair. He is with me always. To that extent he was right. Then one day there was heavy floods. Every one was leaving the village. They called him. He said GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF ME. They left. He was on a tree top. The floods dint stop. First help given by god were the people themselves who called him again and again. He dint see gOOD or GOD in that. Then GOD sent LOGS one after other each stopping in front of him for good time before being lashed away. HE DINT SEE GOD THERE. He was washed away bythe flood. He went to yama. But for his belief in GOD he had to reach swarga. He was sent to hell. He asked YAMA what is my sin? Why am I banished? First you have to send GOD there as he dint save his devotee. Yama told him patiently, your sin is only one, YOU WANTED HIM TO COME IN PERSON TO SAVE YOU FROM FLOOD. Did he not make each villager ask you? Did he not send those numerous tree trunks? So free will should no to surrender fully with senses. Paratantryam should be sought with self will. Dasan/raghavan Vishnu <vsmvishnu@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, TCA Venkatesan <vtca@xxxx> wrote: > > Dear Sri Vishnu, > Dear Sriman Venkatesan, Whatever a pesron does in krshNa consciousness (recogintion of SEshatvam) is for His pleasure. > Nevertheless, to your answer your question, it is > my understanding that a true sEsha bhUta has to do > everything for His pleasure - including the giving > up of the sEsha bhAvam is He desires it. If mere > existence is all that is required, then how do you > stop actions such as killing, destructing a temple, > etc. Surely, you'd agree that such actions are not > meant for His pleasure and as such are to be > avoided. > > If that is the case, then does the jIva have > independence in action? Please see Smt Jayasree > Saranathan's excellent post recently on this. Same question I asked Sriman Vijay Triplicane in the list long back. He kindly replied "Yes, there is not any kind of independence, but this is how it works out". Dasan Vishnu azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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