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Samin,
 
Independence is there and free will is there for all of us. That is the sensual
reality part of our lives.
 
Go deeper, you find that all is by his will. Someone asked a villager where is 
your GOD.
He said he will help me in despair. He is with me always. 
 
To that extent he was right. Then one day there was heavy floods. Every one was 
leaving
the village. They called him. He said GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF ME.
 
They left. He was on a tree top. The floods dint stop. First help given by god 
were the
people themselves who called him again and again. He dint see gOOD or GOD in 
that.
 
Then GOD sent LOGS one after other each stopping in front of him for good time 
before
being lashed away. HE DINT SEE GOD THERE.
 
He was washed away bythe flood. He went to yama. But for his belief in GOD he 
had to
reach swarga. He was sent to hell. He asked YAMA what is my sin? Why am I 
banished? First you have to send GOD there as he dint save his devotee.
 
Yama told him patiently, your sin is only one, YOU WANTED HIM TO COME IN PERSON 
TO SAVE YOU FROM FLOOD. Did he not make each villager ask you? 
Did he not send those numerous tree trunks?
 
So free will should no to surrender fully with senses. Paratantryam should be 
sought with self will.
 
Dasan/raghavan


Vishnu <vsmvishnu@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, TCA Venkatesan <vtca@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sri Vishnu,
> 
Dear Sriman Venkatesan,

Whatever a pesron does in krshNa consciousness (recogintion of 
SEshatvam) is for His pleasure.

> Nevertheless, to your answer your question, it is
> my understanding that a true sEsha bhUta has to do 
> everything for His pleasure - including the giving 
> up of the sEsha bhAvam is He desires it. If mere 
> existence is all that is required, then how do you 
> stop actions such as killing, destructing a temple,
> etc. Surely, you'd agree that such actions are not 
> meant for His pleasure and as such are to be 
> avoided.
> 
> If that is the case, then does the jIva have
> independence in action? Please see Smt Jayasree
> Saranathan's excellent post recently on this.

Same question I asked Sriman Vijay Triplicane in the list long back. 
He kindly replied "Yes, there is not any kind of independence, but 
this is how it works out".

Dasan
Vishnu









azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam



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