Dear Srimathi Vaidhehi This refers to your mail dated onthe above topicI didn't pose a question wrt sEshatvam and pAratantryam in the first place. I only asked wrt "making oneself ready". This addresses the issue of sahEtukam/nirhEtukam and freewill!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here ends my question The point raised in your mail was as follows. I figure out from "pAratantryam is making 'oneself' ready" that jIvAtma has independence!!! Correct me if I'm wrong/misread your post. I may think that I deserve the krpa of the Lord but the Lord may think differently. How can I act in such a way that it only gives pleasure to the Lord? Even if I give displeasure(according to my eyes) He may lick it as a pleasure(according to His eyes). In effect, my act shouldn't become a cause for Him to react(that's why His grace is called "causeless/nirhEtuka grace/mercy/krpa")! You have raised important questions of Sahetuka krupai and Nirhetuka krupai of the Lord. It will merit a serious discussion from the learned disciples of the Sampradayam.It is one of the doctrinairre differences between vadagalai and thengalai sampradayams. Ofcourse the differnces are only 'varthabetham' and not 'yojanabhedham'. Nodoubt, the Lord is a swatantran and Krupai of the Lord cannot be taken as granted. It is his prerogative In one of the earlier mails, it has been mentioned that paratantriyam is not beining like 'achit'. Bhagavat Ramanuja prays to the Lord in his Sharanagathi Gadyaam that he be endowed with parabhakthi,paragnanam and paramabhakti which entails the grace of the Lord. He prays to the Lord in his mangala sloka of Sribhashyam that his knowledge take the form of Bhakti . It has been said In the commemtaries to Divya Prabhantam that the Lord has given the vedas and Upanishads and then Bhagavat Gita so that people can follow them.When He saw that only a few understood them and followed,He has sent Azhwars and Acharyas so that people can easily emulate them being of their own kind. It is incumbent therefore that the prapannas follow the teaching of Purvacharyas which pleses the Lord. The Lord emphasises the importance of everyone performing his duties when he says "Karmanyeva adhikaraste, ma paleshu kathachana' . Any inadequacies in my language be excused. Adiyen Ramanujadasan Soundararajan. AzwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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