Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha; Swamin, The subtle soul which consist of our mind ,intelligence and ego carries our soul to one body to another and carries our karmas also. according to that we have to act in this life due to our past karmas which we did in our previous countless lives.The soul is encaged in this body. It has only minute independence.so one cannot become like Ramanuja even if he wishes, if he had done bad karmas in his past births.If one goes behind women and wine it is because of his desire and because of his karma only and it is not because of God's will also. God only sanctions our desire. If we want to be a good person he sanctions so we take effort to become a good person. If we want to be a bad person He sanctions that also. one cannot suddenly become a good devottee in a single birth.Unless he acquired good pious Karmas in his previous births it is impossible.Even if one had done bad karma, by his devotional activities one can wash away his previous karma.We should only have our willingness and take efforts to advance in bhakthi and we get God's mercy.Our willing to serve god or not is because of our minute independence and because of our Past Karmas also.. our suffering and happiness is our own making., Krishna dasee Vedavalli Ranganathan > > We need not worry, what the lesser developed souls > will do. We cannot be thinking > what will happen if they will take advantage of this > arguement. > > See it is very clear that Paramatma is everything. > We are born as willed by him. We donot have the > choice of parents. It is only the subtle soul that > controls this entire > drama called life. > > By sadana the jivatma, gets the knowledge. Now > people may ask, I want to be Ramanuja > why am i not able to be? Why is it that I go behind > women and wine though I want to > lead a pious life? Now where is SWATANTRYAM? The > swatantryam of the Jiva is also > able to act only with the will of GOD and > paratantryam. > > Hope this clarifies. > > Dasan/raghavan > > vtca <vtca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Dear Sriman Vishnu, > > I get the feeling that you are driving toward the > idea > that shedding free will or accepting sEshatvam is > also > His act and not ours. > > In which case, here's my question: if a soul does > not > accept its sEshatva nature or claims it is a > swatantra > (and most of us qualify for this) - is that act one > of > free will of the jIvAtma or not? I am sure you see > my > concern here. Everyone will then justify every act > of > their's as that of the paramAtma's. > > adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan > > > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" > <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote: > > Now I will ask you one question. The free will or > swAtantyram is > shed > > out of our free will or not? > > > > Dasan > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download > now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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