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Madam
 
You have given an interesting extended meaning that Nithyasuris seing the act of the Lord in saving Gajendra from the clutches of the crocodile as they possess the attribute of  ' sada pasyanti'.
 
As per the vyakhyanam. the Nithyasuris were surprised at the grace of the Lord flowing to an animal. According to my understanding ,the Nithyasuris enjoy and serve the Lord at Paramapadam and do not follow the Lord always, They have the power to go any where in the universe at the speed of mind. They descend to the earth  in avataram.
 
Paramapadam is a place where Karmas do not bind the person.
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There is nothing to suggest that Nithyasuris are subject to five senses.
 
The eedu vyakhyanam is a little more elaborate.
 
In the eedu vyakhyanam, apart from Sugriva there are other examples where the five senses torment even the best of the devotees of the Lord.i.e. 'Vinnular perumarkku adimai seyvaraiyum serum aimpulan'. The other example is sage viswamitra who is great in his gyana but still suffered due to the 'aimpulan'.
 
The vyakhyanam says that nityasuris suffer this in the avatara state.Ilaya perumal who was avatara of Anantha and who was  serving the Lord was subject to this. Peria Thiruvadi 's  objection to  the Lord giving shelter to the serpent Sumukha exhibited this quality. This is in avatara state .  This perhaps refers to the dispute between Vinatha, mother of Garuda and Khatru, the mother of serpents.
 
When I was going through Vyakhyam, vanular refers refers to Devas incuding Brahma and Vinnular, the nithyasuris.
 
Amarar refers in one place to the devas .Amarar is given as referring to the nithyasuris in another palace.
 
Umber refers to both Nithyasuris as well as devas in the vyahyyanam of the pasurams.. 
 
Surprisingly, the term devas is explained as referring to Nithyasuris (Thiruvaimozhi 7-10-11).
 
Different meanings are assigned by the Vyakhyatas depending on the context.
 
Adiyen
Ramanujadasan
Soundararajan
 
 
 
 
 
 
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saranathan <jayasree_saranathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA

Respected Sri Soundararajan swamy,

Pranams.

A very good clarity emerges from your mail on ViNNuLAr.
From your mail  it is deduced that ViNNuLAr are those who are in Vaikuntham
which is ViNN- nagar.Since they are the ones who see Him always, 'sadha
pasyathi', in the Thirumalai pasuram, "viNNuLAr viyappa vanthu Anaikku anRu
aruLai Intha kaNNaRAy" shows that they were present along with Emperuman
when He came to protect the elephant. Since they see Him always (sadha
pasyathi), their presence is always with Him, for wherever He is, there they
will be. They will always accompany Him.  So no question of them leaving
Parama padham arises.

For the other doubt on 'aimpulan' part, you have referred to Edu vyaakyanam
as referring to Sugriva and other great souls on earth. (viNNuLAr
perumARkadimai seyvAraiyum seRum aimpulan ivai).  Kindly throw more light on
whether this is about the great souls who did supreme service to Him in
their baddha jiva state (with affliction by 5 senses), who were ultimately
given ViNNagara-p-padavi. This doubt comes because how can a muktha be
afflicted by 5 senses (once after becoming a muktha).Since He is one who
takes note of the good things where they are not even present,  by some
justification like 'en vUrai-ch-chonnaai, pErai-ch-chonnai' and also acts
like a goldsmith (pon vANiyan ponnai urai kallilE....... Sri vachana
bhooshanam). who takes into account even the smallest good thing we have
done and multiplies it as 'kaal pon aayitrru, kazhanju pon aayitrru' ,  it
is difficult to think that he will allow the mukthan to suffer from 5
senses.

So one way of looking at this is that He has lifted even those who have
been under the spell of 5 senses mainly because they were steadfast in their
servive to Him. Why I say like this is because Sri Govindarajar in his
vyakhyaanam of VAlmiki RAmayana, has highlighted at what places  Sugriva had
slipped in his ways and how Rama had glossed them over - just dismissed them
like in 'en vUrai-ch-chonnai, pErai-ch-chonnai'. Inspite of such deliberate
mistakes - apparently due to the handiwork of 5 senses - since Sugriva did
complete service to Him, he was given ViNNuLAr status. Is this referred to
in the above verse? Or someother explanation? Kindly clarify.

Regards,
jayasree saranathan.





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