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--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, TCA Venkatesan <vtca@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Sri Vishnu,
> 
> The apologies were for making you think that I did not 
> want to continue the discussion :-).
> 
> Now, looking at the chUrnai 92 in Mumukshuppadi - you 
> are right. There is no explicit use of sEshatvam here.
> But it does talk of destroying something - 'azhikkum 
> pOdhu'. If you check back, you see that chUrnai 89 
> states that nama: talks about the bhagavat and 
> bhAgavata sEshatvam. As a continuation, the 92nd 
> chUrnai talks about the destruction of this sEshatvam.
> Mamunigal's vyakhyanam does explicitly state that
> 'iththalaiyil sEshathvaththai azhikkum pOdhu'.

Dear Sriman Venkatesan,

I think we have to interpret Manavalamamunigal's word SEshatvam as 
SEshatva bhAvam i.e. the feeling that we are SEsham on our own as he 
further explains 'nam sEshathvaththai nAm nOkka vENum'.

Dasan
Vishnu

> 
> One of the commenatries I have for Mumukshuppadi 
> states that what is being destroyed is the nature of 
> servitude ('adimai' - 'AtmAvidaththinil uLLa adimaiyai 
> azhikkum pOdhu'). Mamunigal's vyakhyanam states that 
> the soul should not profess naiccyam at this time 
> thinking 'nam sEshathvaththai nAm nOkka vENum'. The 
> commentary states this as 'nam adimaith thanmaiyai 
> nAm kAththuk koLLa vENum'.
> 
> In explaining chUrnai 93, Mamunigal also uses the 
> phrase 'sEshatvamE AtmAvukku svarUpam'. Here it is 
> used to answer the question whether a soul would do 
> something to prevent His joy. The answer being that, 
> it is the same sEshatvam which is the nature of the 
> soul that also causes the soul to behave in this 
> fashion.
> 
> As you can see, these commenatries do explicitly state 
> that sEshatvam is destroyed and that it is used in the 
> sense of being a slave to the Lord.
> 





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