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SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah:

Dearest Srivaishnavas

Continuing from the earlier post: 

Question 2: What are the avathArams for? DharmasamsThApanArThAya- to
establish and protect dharma. Sri Rama being the Eka pathni vrathan,
followed strict codes of saasthrAs and set an example for us. KaNNan
hugged these Gopikas; played with them; and Vedas and saasthrAs may
roar saying He is Parathvam and is unaffected; But is that
approapriate for KaNNan to do that? hugging other women? Can that be
termed as establishing Dharma? How can we say that He followed
saasthrAs and established, protected Dharma in His KrishnA avathAram
as avathaarams?

Answer: Same question was raised by Parvathi to Rudra: Rudra replied
promptly" swaSareeraparishvangAth rathi naasthi varaananE.. â?" We,
jeevathmAs are in each body. We are always united with our bodies.
There is absolutely no dhosham for that. There is no enjoyment also
with that unity; There is no ApAsam also in that. Only when we hug 
the body which does not belong to us - it is different and hence a 
paapam- dhOsham etc.. Then only does the problem arise. Iswaran â?" 
vibhu; 

He manifests everywhere; anatharbahischathas sarva vyApya
nArAyaNasthitha: - Narayanan manifests and pervades everywhere inside
and outside of everything and everyone; We are all His sareeram; He
houses Himself in us and He houses us all as well; He hugs His own
body- can it have dhosham? was Rudra's quip.. This aspect is 
mentioned
by swamy desikan in the above sloka- as vibhO: He manifests and
pervades everywhere. Even for that matter, vaayu, air spreads
everywhere and hugs all. Is it his paapam? Is it dhosham? When Vaayu
himself doe not do anything worng, what can we mention about the
SarvEshwaran? We are all his sareeram and when He hugs us- there is 
no
dhosham thus. Even Chathu mukha Brahma and others longed for being
born in Gopa kulam to be hugged by KaNNan; Vishnu purANa also 
mentions
this: vyApi vaaayuriva sthiTha:

Generally- among humans- there are kaamukhars (those who are mad 
after
sensual pleasures and carnal desires); There also few virakhthars
(those who detach themselves from getting such thoughts and are
vairAgis) They even spurn thinking of women and hate them as mere one
collection of flesh, bones, blood. OOnidai chuvar vaitthu enbu thooN
naatti- says Thirumangai AzhwAr- This body is with the lowly hair, 
the
wall of skins, flesh; bone as pillars and reinforcing members to
support. Thus these two kinds of people exist in the world; Sri
Krishna did not have mOham (desire) for these Gopikas and their
bodies; Not dwEsham (dislike or hatred); They are His body after all.
Not due to his karma, but by His own very nature as Their Lord. How
can there be desire or hatred? Swamy Desikan says this in
Yadavabhyudhayam:

na khalvamushya pramadhAmadhAnDhyam na kuthsanam 
tatthadhabhIshtadhAthu: |
na DharmasamsThApana vADhaganDha SuddhAnuChinthayA hi Subhasya leelA 
||

Thus, KaNNan, hugging His own bodies namely Gopikas, there is nothing
against dharma; In fact, the hunsbands of these Gopikas should have
got angry at these acts; Never did they get angry. Because KaNNan was
in their hearts and they too belong to Him; Bhagwaan entered into
their hearts as well, lured them with His divine charning form and
united with their jeevansâ?¦ thaan otti vandhu, thani nenjai 
vanjitthu,
oonotti vandhu uyirinil kalandhuâ?¦ [says NammAzhwAr in 
Thirumaynozhi].
These people had the same experience and enjoyment. Thus for the,
there was nothing wrong seen in KaNNan's acts and they could not talk
ill about KaNNan. It is one of KaNNan's leelAs. Sage Sukha mentioned
in Srimad Bhagawatham:

gOpInAm tathpathInAm Cha sarvEShAmEva dhEhinAm |
yO(S)nthasvarathi sO(S)Dhyaksha: kreedanEnEha dhEhabhAk||

Sri Vishnu purANa refers to this. Swamy desikan thus touches upon of
all of them as vibhO: to assert these truths.

Question 3: Ok. Everyone and everything is His sareeram; When such is
the case, why did KaNNan choose only those Gopasthrees specially; and
in particular? Why did He bless them with such enjoyment? If He does
not have humanly desires, anger and hatred as He is the Lord, why did
He have to hug the Gopa sthrees? Gopikas also- why did they fall in
love with Him? Even if KaNNan- being the Lord- does not have any
dhOsham, and is not affected by paapam, punyam and he is not affected
by Karma- still the poor Gopikas get these dhoshams as they desired
for another Purushan [other than their own husbands].. How can KaNNan
be a party to such paapams committed by Gopikas?

Answer: Once, the Apsarasthrees [dancing damsels] in deva loka, by
hearing about the most beautiful â?" dhivya sowndharyam of the Lord
Sriya: Pathi Sriman Narayanan and prayed to Him continuously like
penance for blessing them with his dhivya sowndharya roopam for them
to enjoy. Bhagawaan appeared before them and said, "Do not worry. I 
am
pleased by your prayers. I will fulfill your desires. I will appear 
as
KaNNan in Gokulam during Krishna avathAram and you all appear as Gopa
sthrees. Your prayers will be fulfilled. " Thus He blessed them with
His divine body and its charm. They were born as these Gopa sthrees.
This purANA explains. Thus due to their puNya phalam, their past
prayers, they are blessed with this Anandham and it is Bhagawaan's
organizing things to fulfill His devotees' prayers. None gets any
dhOsham due to these acts. Punya paapams also vary for humans and
Devas. Devasthrees thus do not get any dhosham due to these acts and
their past prayers only get answered. Also it is told that rishis in
Rama avathAram wanted to enjoy His dhivya sowndharya ThirumEni when
they enjoyed seeing His ThirumEni; Rama let them be born as Gopa
sthrees probably for their prayers to be fulfilled as well. All his
avathArams had to meet very many conditions and fulfill all these
inter related incidents.

This is mentioned by swami Desikan as aChapilasparSanamAthraleelA.. 
In
the next sloka he says.. thatthadhabhIShtadhAthu:

--
Acharyan ThiruvaDigaLE SaraNam
Regards
Namo Narayana
dAsAnu dAsan





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