Dear Ms. vaidehi,
Yes, lakshmaNA was not able to endure the separation and the Lord was also
comfortable when in his company.
Yes, the soul puts self effort for upAyam due to "gnAthrthvam" which may lead
to thought of following several means to reach Him. the soul has to sift out
of several sAsthram-s and preachings and despite its innate 'gnathrthvam' - as
it is shrouded by this world and the effects- may come to wrong conlcusions.
Hence, the best thing the soul can do is to abide the directions of AzhwAr and
AchAryA-s.
pArathanthriyam emerges or emanates in the soul once the knowledge that
independence and joy for the self-sake are removed.
thank you,
vanamamalai padmanabhan
----- Original Message -----
From: vaidhehi_nc
To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:12 PM
Subject: [ramanuja] Re: bharathA,lakshmaNA and ChathrugNA-2
Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
Dear Sri Vanamamalai Padmanabhan,
Humble praNAms to you. Along with your continuing post
on bharata,satrghna...kindly dispel my doubt. When thAyar is never
separated from perumAL(NammAzhvAr's agalagillEn)and we go by SVB:8,
why shouldn't we consider lakshmaNa for the same pAratantryam also
when he is never separated from the Lord(senRAm kudaiyAm irundhAl
simhAsanamAm...)like thAyAr. I would like to be very clear along
these lines. Once I listened Sri Chinna Jeeyar swami's upanyAsam on
BG(7th chapter and last three slokas). Swamiji said that even when
they were in cradle,and when sumitra tried to take lakshmaNa away
from the Lord,both started crying! Same thing happened with bharata
and satrgna also. Swamiji also narrated a story(not mentioned in
vAlmIki rAmAyaNam)wrt Srirama and lakshmaNa. The bottom line of this
story is perumAL can't live and miserable without lakshmaNa
either!!!
It is b'coz of the inherent gnAtrtvam in the individual
soul, the jIvA puts self-effort(against pAratantryam)and can have
erroneous understanding of the upAyam(like jIvAtma's effort in
mOksha;let's ignore the upEyam for we, within the sriramanuja
community,know that Lord is the upEyam) the time and also finally
indulge in slef-delight! My contention is one can do "complete" self-
less service(like lakshmaNa) only when pAratantryam is inherent in
that jIvA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I want to be crystal clear with
SVB.
AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
dAsAnu dAsI
NC Nappinnai
--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxx> wrote:
> srEvachana bhUshaNam
> sUthram 83
>
> "pasiyarAyiruppAr attasORum vuNNa vEANum, adugiRa sORum
vuNNavEaNum, ennuma pOlEa, kAttukku pOgiRa pOdhu iLaya perumAL
piriyil thariyamaiyai munnittu, adimai seiyya vEANum, ellA adimaiyum
seiyya vEANum, yEAvik koLLa vEANum enRAr;
> padai vEttil pugundha pinbu kAttil thani idathil swayampAgathAl
vayiRRa peRukkina padiyAlEA, oppUN vuNNamAttAdhEa,oru thirukkaiyAlEA
thiruveN koRRak kodaiyaiyum, oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiru veN
sAmarathaiyum tharithu adimai seidhAr'
>
>
> Those who are very hungry desire to eat the food that is already
cooked and also being cooked.When the Lord left for exile, sri rAmA
asked lakshmaNA to be at ayOdhyA. The request was "please take me as
your kinkaran" Further, he also mentioned that he will not survive
if he gets separated from the Lord.
>
> As per his shEshathvam, sri lakshmaNA desired to serve the LOrd.
All kind of services. Blemishless services. Absolutely no
independence. To serve as per the dictum of the Lord -yEAvik koLLa
vEANum.
>
> Earlier when they were alone in the forest, sri lakshmaNA had done
simultaneously all the kainkaryam-s. Akin to that, unlike others who
were contented with just one service, sri lakshmaNA held high, the
royal umbrella on the one hand, and the sAmaram on the other.
>
> Such an outstanding example of 'upEyam' is sri lakshmaNA's
character.
> (to be continued)
> vanamamalai padmanabhan
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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