Dear Ramesh Srinivasan Very interesting questions and also raised at an appropriate time. I will attempt to answer the following:. "Moreover, in the prayoga assoiated with these tarpaNa mantra-s, we seem> to differentiate in the manner of pouring water - the first 7 being r^iShi tIrta, the 8th being brahma tIrtha and the 9th being deva tIrtha. Why this distinction and what is its origin?" Adiyen's answers: The ninth is also a rishi tirtha. Sadasaspati comes under the rishi-varga. The following is the pramana: (Parasara smruti ?) Kanishta, deshi, angushta, Moolaanagram karasyaya prajapapati pitru braham deva tirthan anukramaath The water should leave the root of the aforesaid fingers. Also deva tirtha - upaveetham Rishi: Niveetam Pitru: Niveetham etc with respect to the Yagnyopaveetham The basic belief is that the root of each finger represents a node that is connected to the different beings such as pitrus, devatas etc. Hope this clarifies you query to some extent with respaect to this question. Vijayaraghavan Chakravarthy Buffalo/NY >From: "sgopan" <sgopan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: ramanujamission@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <tiruvenkatam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >CC: "Ponnappan" <Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Sgt" ><saranagathi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ramanujamission@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "SRS" ><Srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: [RamanujaMission] Re: [t'venkatam] kANDa r^iShi-s and their >significance >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:41:03 -0400 > >Sri: > >Dear Sri Ramesh Srinivasan : > >I will get you answers for some of your questions on >UpAkarma soon . > >Your questions are excellent . That reminds me of the adage >Rishi Moolam , Nadhi Moolam indicatign the ancient nature of >Rishi Paramparai . > >Meanwhile , I welcome others to resspond to the specific queries . >There is indeed a reasoning behind the various steps of different >SamskArams . > >NamO Veda PurushAya , >V.Sadagopan > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ramesh Srinivasan" <ramesh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:46 PM >Subject: [t'venkatam] kANDa r^iShi-s and their significance > > > > Respected elders, > > Every year, during the upAkarma observance, we offer gratitude and homage >o > the kANDa R^iShi-s associated with our particular veda shAkhA. In > particular, for the kR^iShNa yajur veda taittirIya shAkhA, we chant the > following mantra-s during the kANDa r^iShi tarpaNam: > > (i) prajApatim kANDarshim tarpayAmi > (ii) sOmam kANDarshim tarpayAmi > (iii) agnim kANDarshim tarpayAmi > (iv) viSvAn devAn kANDarshIn tarpayAmi > (v) sAmhitIr devatA upanishadas tarpayAmi > (vi) yajnikIr devatA upanishadas tarpayAmi > (vii) vAruNIr devatA upanishadas tarpayAmi > (viii) brahmANaGM svayambhuvam tarpayAmi > (ix) sadasaspatim tarpayAmi > > It is my understanding that the first four lines above refer to the 4 >kANDa > r^iShi-s - prajApati, soma, agni and vishvedevAH. However, I am unsure >about > the following questions and would be grateful to learn from knowledgable > elders in this forum: > > 1. BhagavAn veda vyAsa is the compiler and editor of the 4 veda-s. >However, > the fact that we remember the 4 kANDa r^iShi-s every year during upAkarmA > and utsarjana indicates that they must have played a momentous role in >the > transmission of the veda-s. In addition, between upanayana and vivAha > samskAra, every brahmacAri is enjoined to perform the catvAri veda >vratAni > to propitiate each kANDA r^iShi before commencing the study of the > associated saMhitA portion. What is the specific contribution of the >kANDa > r^iShi-s that earns them this high place of honor in the vaidika >saMpradAya? > > 2. Since the taittirIya saMhitA consists of 7 kANDa-s, what is the >division > (mapping) of these 7 kANDa-s amongst the 4 kANDa r^iShi-s? > > 3. During the upAkarma observance, we perform *nava* kANDa r^iShi arpaNa. > Who are the remaining 5 r^iShi-s whom we worship thus? What is the> >significance of propitiating them?> > 4. Moreover, in the prayoga assoiated with these tarpaNa mantra-s, we >seem> >to differentiate in the manner of pouring water - the first 7 being r^iShi > tIrta, the 8th being brahma tIrtha and the 9th being deva tIrtha. Why >this > distinction and what is its origin? > > 5. We perfrom tarpaNam by wearing the sacred thread as a garland >(nivItam). > What is the significance behind this? > > > I would be very grateful for your kind elucidation of this matter. If I >have > erred in my understanding as stated above, I would appreciate being > corrected by the esteemed members of this forum. > > > With respectful namaskAram-s, > Ramesh > > > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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