Asmadgurubhyo namah, Since this topic is going into controversies, let me apologize to the group to have some how landed in this controversy. LET THIS BE THE LAST POSTING ON THIS SUBJECT. LET US CHANGE THE SUBJECT. I do not wish to react to the points brought out by Sri Varadan. All I conclude is that different acharyas have expressed different opinions about these aspects. My advice to Sri Ramanuja Satagopan and others is to take this topic outside the Internet groups and seek advice from their acharyas. Tad viddhi pranipatena pari prashnena sevaya - attain that knowledge by saluting the acharyas, asking them questions frequently and serving them sincerely - bhagawadgita. I dont think Internet is a good medium to learn shastras. It is more for sharing information on a casual basis. Hence our scriptures state : atma va are drastavyo srothavyo manthavyo nidhidhyasitavyah - Atman has to be seen by hearing, contemplating and meditating. My suggestion to the members is to learn from weekend lectures taught by great widvans who teach from India directly one to one over the conference bridges arranged by several individuals. I think learning using that method is 1000 times better than learning on the internet. adiyen Krishna -----Original Message----- From: tavaradhan@xxxx [mailto:tavaradhan@xxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:06 PM To: Krishna Kashyap; Ramanuja Satagopan; srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: danp@xxxx Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] Qs relating to Bharanyasam? srImathE rAmAnujAya namah The following is not accurate --- > Both Sri Ramanujacharya and Satakopar ( nammalwar) > performed bharanyasam as > indicated in works = sharanagati gadyam and > thiruvaimozhi= ahalahillen > pasuram respectively. ----- The misleading part is that the present day "bharanyAsam" is looked upon as a guarantee, whereas both the above AchAryAs surrendered to the Lord without any expectation of any guarantees. svAmi nammAzhvAr's surender in the agalakillEn pAsuram (there are other pAsurams as well where he surrenders to the Lord) is a mental affirmation of his desire - obviously, nammAzhvAr did not physically do "adikkeezh amarndhu pugundhEnE". The other inaccuracy is that there is no credible record of any AchAryA performing surrender for the purpose of attaining mOksha, nor is there any credible evidence to interpret their position as "bharanyAsam/surrender ==> mOksha". > Sri Desikar and Pillai lokacharyar's work explain > the ritual aspects in > rahasyatraya saram and tattva-trayam respectively. > There are more works > such as prapanna parijata, srivachanabhusanam etc. svAmi piLLai lOkAchAryA does deal with this in srIvacanabhUsaNa and other granthAs. And the message is pretty clear that there can be no linkage between "our" act of surrendering and the "Lord's" mercy acting on us. The following excerpt from an answer given by srI srI srI tridaNdi srIman nArAyaNa rAmAnuja chinna jIyar svAmi in another list is appropriate in this context - --begin excerpt--- Jai Srimannarayana! Attaining Mo:ksha, ie., release from the bondage of Karma in total and reaching a state where there will only be divine joy & bliss, will happen only by the unquestionable mercy of God. He has His own discretion in sanctioning anything He likes. We need not do anything to attain that. All that we need to know how to be a "man" in this world. Take Lord Sri Rama as an example. He lived like a real man, a Model Man, exemplifying His whole life. And His life says ' if you live like a real man, you will be worshiped here in this world and nether worlds, as well. --- end excerpt. Please do not interpre the above as a complete licence to do whatver one wants to do etc. The key point is that there can be no causal linkage between any of our actions and the Lord's mercy taking place. Having said that, if one wants to lead a good life, there are numerous things prescribed by our AchAryAs from the sAstrAs, which one ought to follow. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Varadhan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Srirangasri-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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