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by Bill Ross
September 5th, 2021, 3:24 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 10294

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

Compare with Matthew's version: [Matthew 24:9 NASB20] (9) "Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. But what I'm really asking about is the grammar. If all you are asking about is the grammar, here is a simple introducti...
by Bill Ross
September 5th, 2021, 3:23 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 10294

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

Basically any introductory text. At least John I. Saeed: Semantics is good, so is Alan Cruse: Meaning in Language. I have read them (maybe older editions). Anything by Cambridge and Oxford are probably good, like Semantics: An Introduction to Meaning in Language; or Semantics (Oxford Introduction t...
by Bill Ross
September 5th, 2021, 6:09 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 10294

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

I understand your view but disagree. Context is king. They asked for the sign and he tells them some things that are NOT the sign, just the beginnings. "Braxton-Hicks" kind of stuff. Then he tells them of the real sign of imminence. There will be indications of the season (wars, rumors of ...
by Bill Ross
September 4th, 2021, 6:43 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 10294

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

Stephen Carlson wrote: September 4th, 2021, 6:38 pm
Bill Ross wrote: September 4th, 2021, 6:09 pm Had the author used the word πρίν I would agree with you. But πρὸ used in conjunction with πάντων is well attested as referring to "above all":
These aren’t counter-examples to the explanation I provided.
Eh?
by Bill Ross
September 4th, 2021, 9:07 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 10294

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

Compare with Matthew's version: [Matthew 24:9 NASB20] (9) "Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. But what I'm really asking about is the grammar. What about the grammar? πρό is simply a preposition which takes the gen...
by Bill Ross
September 3rd, 2021, 1:50 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 10294

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

Compare with Matthew's version:
[Matthew 24:9 NASB20] (9) "Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
But what I'm really asking about is the grammar.
by Bill Ross
September 3rd, 2021, 12:37 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 34907

Re: John 8:58

I'm of the opinion that it is an allusion to this Psalm (in the Greek OT): [Psalm 90:2 LXX] (2) πρὸ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι καὶ πλασθῆναι τὴν γῆν καὶ τὴν οἰκουμένην καὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ αἰῶνος ἕως τοῦ αἰῶνος σὺ εἶ And that the meaning is a parallel with the second part of the previous verse: [Psalm 90:1 LXX] (1) π...

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