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by Jonathan Robie
August 1st, 2021, 6:17 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 60
Views: 600

Re: John 8:58

So I looked at this for the NT only (I would like to do a wider check but I don't have the time just now). There are no examples with πρίν. But with πρό τοῦ: “μὴ οὖν ὁμοιωθῆτε αὐτοῖς· οἶδεν γὰρ ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν ὧν χρείαν ἔχετε πρὸ τοῦ ὑμᾶς αἰτῆσαι αὐτόν.” (Matthew 6:8 Novum Testamentum Graece (New Test...
by Jonathan Robie
August 1st, 2021, 5:43 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 60
Views: 600

Re: John 8:58

The πρίν clause is normal, it means "before", the infinitive + accusative is part of the πρίν construction. This is covered in the "Temporal Clauses" chapter in "The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek". When the matrix clause is affirmative (not-negative), πρίν is nor...
by Jonathan Robie
August 1st, 2021, 9:14 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 60
Views: 600

Re: John 8:58

From Wallace’s GGBB: Time This use of the infinitive indicates a temporal relationship between its action and the action of the controlling verb. It answers the question, “When?” I think you are reading too much into Wallace. The "controlling" verb seems to just mean the main verb of the ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 1st, 2021, 8:59 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 60
Views: 600

Re: John 8:58

In those examples it's easy to see what can fill in the ellipsis. It must be something readily cognitively available and active. For example "it's me (and not something else like a ghost)". Or "The one you are talking about - I'm that one". There just isn't anything like that in...
by Jonathan Robie
July 31st, 2021, 4:50 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 60
Views: 600

Re: John 8:58

I think the syntax is fairly straightforward here. I think the syntax, grammar and semantics of the πριν clause are straightforward. But the grammar of the present tense of the main verb in this context isn't. Exactly. The present tense is a surprise, and it's one real issue in this verse. Nobody h...
by Jonathan Robie
July 31st, 2021, 8:01 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 60
Views: 600

Re: John 8:58

I think the syntax is fairly straightforward here. I agree with Barry, πρίν narrows it down. But of course, once you understand the syntax, there are a variety of things that it could mean. The real question is this: what did Jesus mean when he said this? As often happens, things get complicated whe...
by Jonathan Robie
July 21st, 2021, 5:29 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Hebrew / Greek texts to align
Replies: 8
Views: 552

Re: Hebrew / Greek texts to align

Ah, here's one place I can look, NETS includes a section called Translation Profile of the Greek for each book. For Ruth it starts like this: TRANSLATION PROFILE OF THE GREEK The book of Routh is a fairly literal translation of the Hebrew, with the Greek text often matching the Hebrew in a word-for-...
by Jonathan Robie
July 21st, 2021, 2:58 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Hebrew / Greek texts to align
Replies: 8
Views: 552

Re: Hebrew / Greek texts to align

For a project I am working on, I am looking for Hebrew / Greek texts where both the Hebrew and the Greek are natural and understandable, and where they have the same basic meaning, whether or not word order is similar or they say it in similar ways. What LXX passages would you look to first for thi...
by Jonathan Robie
July 21st, 2021, 9:02 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Hebrew / Greek texts to align
Replies: 8
Views: 552

Re: Hebrew / Greek texts to align

S Walch wrote: July 21st, 2021, 4:32 am I think the book of Jonah LXX is pretty much okay in this regard.
Yes, Jonah works nicely for what I need. Thanks!
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2021, 7:08 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Hebrew / Greek texts to align
Replies: 8
Views: 552

Re: Hebrew / Greek texts to align

What kind of length do you have in mind? For instance, a passage that would fit into a single page of a textbook, or something much longer than that? Pericope-length or chapter-length would do. Initially, I just need sentences, where of course one sentence may be more than one sentence in the other...

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