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by Jonathan Robie
June 15th, 2021, 5:47 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

It would be nice to see an intermediate Greek seminary textbook with these kinds of explanations of the use of the cases as this one from "Lucian's A True Story, An Intermediate Greek Reader" Indeed. If I understand, the difference is that this starts from asking what ways a particular co...
by Jonathan Robie
June 13th, 2021, 10:06 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

I didn’t have a specific exegetical issue in mind, but thinking about it, there are perennial issues like the subjective vs. objective genitive πίστις Χριστοῦ which come to mind. (IIRC, no one here has volunteered subjective vs. objective genitives among the meanings of the genitives.) Let me stick...
by Jonathan Robie
June 12th, 2021, 1:36 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 2 Cor 8:7 - καὶ τῇ ἐξ ἡμῶν ἐν ὑμῖν ἀγάπῃ
Replies: 1
Views: 291

2 Cor 8:7 - καὶ τῇ ἐξ ἡμῶν ἐν ὑμῖν ἀγάπῃ

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this phrase. ἀλλ᾽ ὥσπερ ἐν παντὶ περισσεύετε, πίστει καὶ λόγῳ καὶ γνώσει καὶ πάσῃ σπουδῇ καὶ τῇ ἐξ ἡμῶν ἐν ὑμῖν ἀγάπῃ , ἵνα καὶ ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ χάριτι περισσεύητε. There are other readings: τῇ ἐξ ἡμῶν ἐν ὑμῖν ἀγάπῃ τῇ ἐξ ὑμῶν ἐν ἡμῖν ἀγάπῃ τῇ έξ ὑμῶν είς ἡμᾶς ἀγάπῃ τῇ ἐ...
by Jonathan Robie
June 12th, 2021, 12:35 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

I teach them that it's the "of" case, that if you plug in the word "of" before the word in translation you get most of the meanings. Sounds oversimplified, but it tends to work. Then we pick up the various uses of the genitive in context as we go along. Wallaces's 30 plus catego...
by Jonathan Robie
June 12th, 2021, 12:04 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

So even before I start on the alphabet I tell the students (with an evil grin) that we're going to learn this terribly, terribly, difficult language - Oo, it's so difficult, with all these funny letters. So let's have a look at what it looks like. Then I write πατηρ on the board, and say it a coupl...
by Jonathan Robie
June 11th, 2021, 3:59 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

Jeffrey Rydberg-Cox is pretty helpful here too. Genitive In general, I think it's helpful to expose people to lots of examples, organized by categories, without weighing them down with really complex explanations. Especially for examples where English and Greek are similar enough that it's obvious -...
by Jonathan Robie
June 11th, 2021, 3:52 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

Here's what Mounce does. Seems pretty helpful. Genitive 1. The most common use of the genitive is when the word in the genitive gives some description of the head noun (descriptive). ἐνδυσώμεθα [δὲ] τὰ ὅπλα τοῦ φωτός (Rom 13:12). Let us put on the armor of light. 2. The head noun can be possessed by...
by Jonathan Robie
June 11th, 2021, 10:50 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

Using living language approaches, you work from concrete examples to teach the genitive, and the most concrete examples generally involve the core meaning of possession. Over time, that generalizes out to other examples. To me, the categorized lists sometimes involve more than a little exegesis, co...
by Jonathan Robie
June 10th, 2021, 8:42 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Teaching the Genitive
Replies: 23
Views: 1230

Re: Teaching the Genitive

I'd like to ask the pedagogues, teachers, and self-learners on the forum how you teach what the genitive means. Do you give a basic meaning of possession or intrinsic relationship and hope the student infers the full usage in their reading, or do you go the full Wallace and give the students a list...
by Jonathan Robie
June 10th, 2021, 8:39 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Gender concordance with the article
Replies: 6
Views: 451

Re: Gender concordance with the article

Quick (hopefully question). I am spending time with someone who has their Phd in classics, primarily working through Lucian’s works. During the course of one of our side discussions I was asking about the use of the article / variants of πας where there are multiple referents with different genders...

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