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- November 11th, 2021, 4:34 pm
- Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
- Topic: John 8:54 pronoun
- Replies: 23
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Re: John 8:54 pronoun
Why, when it makes perfect sense as the simple direct object of λέγετε? Does it? Can you speak a person? Can you say a person? I don’t see how that could be a simple direct object. It's the direct object, and the ὅτι clause is in apposition. Awkward in English, so we have to do something with it, b...
- November 11th, 2021, 1:45 pm
- Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
- Topic: John 8:54 pronoun
- Replies: 23
- Views: 33643
Re: John 8:54 pronoun
A few thoughts having poked at this a bit. I think the issue may stem from the handling of the rest of the phrasing, in particular, the second implied pronoun causes some awkwardness in translation I think. I think this is right. The best phrasing in Greek will often sound awkward if rendered liter...
- November 11th, 2021, 7:59 am
- Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
- Topic: John 8:54 pronoun
- Replies: 23
- Views: 33643
Re: John 8:54 pronoun
ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς, Ἐὰν ἐγὼ δοξάσω ἐμαυτόν, ἡ δόξα μου οὐδέν ἐστιν· ἔστιν ὁ πατήρ μου ὁ δοξάζων με, ὃν ὑμεῖς λέγετε ὅτι θεὸς ἡμῶν ἐστιν... It seems most sensible to me to read ὅν as referring back to ὁ πατήρ μου . I don’t think it could be read otherwise. It should be read more directly as: ὑμεῖς λέγε...
- November 10th, 2021, 4:34 pm
- Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
- Topic: John 8:54 pronoun
- Replies: 23
- Views: 33643
Re: John 8:54 pronoun
Thank you! My understanding of this verse is that in it Jesus says that his Father is the one that the Jews say is their God. The Jews say that Jehovah is their God, so that means that in this verse Jesus is saying that Jehovah is his Father. But someone who claims that Jesus was Jehovah coming to ...
- November 10th, 2021, 10:58 am
- Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
- Topic: John 8:54 pronoun
- Replies: 23
- Views: 33643
Re: John 8:54 pronoun
I have a question from John 8:54. https://biblehub.com/text/john/8-54.htm Is the word ὃν [of whom] as a pronoun referring back to με [me] or is it referring back to Πατήρ [Father] or could it be either way and thus not certain? Eric, please quote the Greek directly rather than providing a link: ἀπ...
- November 10th, 2021, 8:41 am
- Forum: Cool Stuff
- Topic: Aesopica
- Replies: 4
- Views: 14594
Re: Aesopica
Yes, Greek should always be fun...Philip Arend wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 4:21 pm Thanks for both this and the Greek comic link. Really fun to work through...
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- November 8th, 2021, 11:59 am
- Forum: Cool Stuff
- Topic: Aesopica
- Replies: 4
- Views: 14594
Aesopica
Looking for some fun extra-biblical Greek reading to sharpen your skills? I often recommend Lucian of Samasota (start with the True Histories ), but then there is also Aesop! Some of you are probably aware of this website: http://mythfolklore.net/aesopica/index.htm Aesop is good because the stories ...
- November 1st, 2021, 9:53 am
- Forum: Cool Stuff
- Topic: Free Comics in Ancient Greek
- Replies: 0
- Views: 16800
- October 30th, 2021, 8:32 am
- Forum: Books
- Topic: Kang - Three Nuances of the Perfect Indicative in the Greek NT
- Replies: 13
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Re: Kang - Three Nuances of the Perfect Indicative in the Greek NT
Well, its a single sentence. But it's also a single sentence summarizing the past 10 years of my research life, based on reading nearly everything written on the Greek perfect and examining thousands of perfect verbs. The anterior analysis of the post-Classical perfect cannot account for the distri...
- October 27th, 2021, 10:36 am
- Forum: Other Greek Texts
- Topic: Use of αὐτός in Arrian's preface to Epictetus, Discourses
- Replies: 7
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Re: Use of αὐτός in Arrian's preface to Epictetus, Discourses
αὐτοῖς ὀνόμασιν = "in the words themselves," i.e., "in his very own words." These glosses are perfectly fine if the text had instead read αὐτοῖς τοῖς ὀνόμασιν, but ὀνόμασιν here is indefinite. That has to be taken into account. Perhaps, but I read it as the first mention of the ...