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by Stephen Carlson
August 4th, 2021, 6:16 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Scott Lawson wrote: August 4th, 2021, 5:53 pm Stephen did say that the question Jesus was responding to wasn’t the one closest in context (how old are you?) but rather Who are you.
I’ve had enough. Can you stop claiming I said things I did not say? And, no, I don’t want you to quote something yet again you did not understand.
by Stephen Carlson
August 4th, 2021, 4:31 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Scott Lawson wrote: August 4th, 2021, 11:17 am But please note that Stephen has opined that εγω ειμι is a name.
Uh, no, I have not. With all due respect, I think you need to read more carefully.
by Stephen Carlson
August 4th, 2021, 9:35 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

The usefulness of this thread for understanding John 8:58 diminishes when you add post after post quoting grammar texts which you seemingly haven't understood and which don't prove your points. As Stephen said several times, they aren't always relevant. This thread has been very useful but we seem ...
by Stephen Carlson
August 3rd, 2021, 8:39 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Stephen, Perhaps it will be helpful to quote Wallace on the controlling verb of an infinitive: 596] 3. Subsequent (πρὸ τοῦ, πρίν, or πρὶν ἤ + infinitive) [before . . .] The action of the infinitive of subsequent time occurs after the action of the controlling verb. Its structure is πρὸ τοῦ, πρίν, o...
by Stephen Carlson
August 3rd, 2021, 8:35 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Scott Lawson wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 7:32 pm Stephen here are Robertson’s comments on infinitives with verbs:
Nice, but irrelevant. He's talking about infinitive complements of certain verbs, which is not at issue in John 8:58.
by Stephen Carlson
August 3rd, 2021, 8:34 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Scott Lawson wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 7:40 pm Here’s a fine definition of what the absolute construction is:
And it has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
by Stephen Carlson
August 3rd, 2021, 6:00 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Scott Lawson wrote: August 3rd, 2021, 5:36 pm It doesn’t make sense to me to say “the complete event of Abraham’s coming to be”. I’m not sure how “coming to be” can signal a complete event.
An event is complete when it reaches its boundary. Abraham’s coming to be is complete when he’s born.
by Stephen Carlson
August 3rd, 2021, 5:59 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

So even though every other infinitive has a controlling verb γενησθαι at J8:58 doesn’t. So rather than the getting it’s relatve time from the controlling verb this infinitive gets it from the reader’s encyclopedic knowledge. I don’t know what “every other infinitive” you’re thinking of. But it’s ba...
by Stephen Carlson
August 3rd, 2021, 4:43 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Stephen I’m going to press you a bit for some responses to my earlier observations and questions in this discussion. 1.) Would you comment on my observation that the infinitive gets its relative time from the main verb (controlling verb)? Infinitives don't really have time. But they have aspect. Th...
by Stephen Carlson
August 2nd, 2021, 5:23 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 137
Views: 1785

Re: John 8:58

Welcome Stephen and thanks for the breath of fresh air! each part of the sentence establishes a different and incompatible topic/reference time (one before Abraham's birth, the other at the momment of Jesus's speaking). So there's a clash, and I don't think this clash is going to be resolved gramma...

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