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by Jonathan Robie
April 24th, 2021, 5:42 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: εἰς in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4
Replies: 8
Views: 548

Re: εἰς in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4

Must the meaning of εἰς in καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν be translated as "into"? Is there any evidence that it bears the meaning "to"? Hard to translate εἰς by itself. What potential meanings of the phrase εἰς πειρασμόν do you have in mind? What parallels have you found ...
by Jonathan Robie
April 24th, 2021, 5:39 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: In Romans 11:25, is it possible that εἰσέλθῃ is ingressive?
Replies: 4
Views: 409

Re: In Romans 11:25, is it possible that εἰσέλθῃ is ingressive?

As for ἄχρι οὗ it functions as a unit, and that's why you don't see οὗ rendered separately And FWIW, this part of the cited BDAG says that: ἄχρι οὗ (s. ἄχρι 1bα) until (the time when) Ac 7:18; Ro 11:25; 1 Cor 11:26; Gal 3:19.[/b][/u ]Also ἕως οὗ until Mt 1:25; 13:33; 14:22; 17:9; Lk 13:21; D 11:6 a...
by Jonathan Robie
April 23rd, 2021, 9:44 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15
Replies: 15
Views: 775

Re: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15

Thank you Matthew, Jonathon. I think I have a better idea now of the factors that go into interpreting this construction. Great! Here's something I find interesting: In this thread, I think you had a real, useful, Greek-related question that is plain by the way you highlighted the text, but the met...
by Jonathan Robie
April 23rd, 2021, 8:20 am
Forum: Announcements, Questions, and Policies
Topic: Briar Patch
Replies: 4
Views: 437

Re: Briar Patch

When I see something that I don't think we should tolerate here, I will edit it out and post it here anonymously so that we don't have to distract from the subject of a given thread. If you recognize this content as yours, please take the hint. I edited this out of another recent post: His books are...
by Jonathan Robie
April 23rd, 2021, 7:39 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15
Replies: 15
Views: 775

Re: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15

Bill Ross wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 7:19 pm Thanks. To be honest, it crossed my mind that an underline might be more effective but I was lazy and didn't add it.
I use blue and bold for this, but that's a matter of taste.
by Jonathan Robie
April 22nd, 2021, 6:50 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15
Replies: 15
Views: 775

Re: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15

Bill Ross wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:02 pm Please see the bolded words in the Ephesians passage (in Greek) in my original question. Thanks.
Well, I owe you an apology, I hadn't noticed that. I will go back and make them a little more prominent in case someone else misses it too.
by Jonathan Robie
April 22nd, 2021, 3:46 pm
Forum: Announcements, Questions, and Policies
Topic: Briar Patch
Replies: 4
Views: 437

Re: Briar Patch

Edited out of a recent post: A perspicacious reader of my very first post, in which I also presented my interpretation of 1 John 5:7-8, would have suspected that I do not subscribe to the doctrine of the personality of the holy spirit. By the time I got to my last post someone with even half a brain...
by Jonathan Robie
April 22nd, 2021, 3:39 pm
Forum: Announcements, Questions, and Policies
Topic: Briar Patch
Replies: 4
Views: 437

Briar Patch

This thread is for issues that need to be resolved. Posts may be moved here if there is a need to discuss their content and we don't want to disrupt from substantive discussion. Parts of posts may be edited out and moved here, perhaps anonymously.
by Jonathan Robie
April 22nd, 2021, 3:36 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15
Replies: 15
Views: 775

Re: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15

Bill Ross wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 2:46 pm Or actually, wouldn't "let us do this until we all attain..."
and "let us know longer be children..."
and "let us grow up in all aspects"?
For which Greek phrases? Why? What questions did you have in rendering them?
by Jonathan Robie
April 22nd, 2021, 3:35 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15
Replies: 15
Views: 775

Re: Aorist active subjunctives in Ephesians 4:13-15

Okay, so basically the NASB20 did a good job here, it seems. Please quote the Greek and ask specific questions. For instance, "what does μέχρι mean in verse 13?" Or if you see a specific instance that might be a particular kind of conditional, quote just that and ask how it should be inte...

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