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by Stirling Bartholomew
July 29th, 2020, 4:59 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Epistle to Diogenetus
Replies: 13
Views: 1896

Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

Diog. 8:2 ἢ τοὺς κενοὺς καὶ ληρώδεις ἐκείνων λόγους ἀποδέχῃ τῶν ἀξιοπίστων φιλοσόφων; ὧν οἱ μέν τινες πῦρ ἔφασαν εἶναι τὸν θεόν ( οὗ μέλλουσι χωρήσειν αὐτοί, τοῦτο καλοῦσι θεόν) οἱ δὲ ὕδωρ, οἱ δ᾿ ἄλλο τι τῶν στοιχείων τῶν ἐκτισμένων ὑπὸ θεοῦ Diog. 8:2 Or do you accept the empty and nonsensical stat...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 16th, 2020, 2:31 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Epistle to Diogenetus
Replies: 13
Views: 1896

Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

I've noticed that some higher literary texts really like to interleave (for want of a better word) their constituents, as I marked up with the colors below. I don't quite know what to make of it. It's not common in the NT, however. I hadn't noticed it, I am just in the early stages of exegesis with...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 16th, 2020, 1:57 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Epistle to Diogenetus
Replies: 13
Views: 1896

Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

... they produce the effect that a particular stretch of the text is not understandable until "the shoe drops" at the end of that stretch where the hyperbaton either completes an expected meaning from earlier in the sentence or adds something unexpected. Markovic also mentions withholding...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 15th, 2020, 10:22 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Epistle to Diogenetus
Replies: 13
Views: 1896

Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

Diog. 7:1 Οὐ γὰρ ἐπίγειον, ὡς ἔφην, εὕρημα τοῦτ᾿ αὐτοῖς παρεδόθη, οὐδὲ θνητὴν ἐπίνοιαν φυλάσσειν οὕτως ἀξιοῦσιν ἐπιμελῶς , οὐδὲ ἀνθρωπίνων οἰκονομίαν μυστηρίων πεπίστευνται Diog. 7:1   For this is, as I said, no earthly discovery that was committed to them, nor some mortal idea that they consider t...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 15th, 2020, 6:30 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Adverbs
Replies: 6
Views: 1091

Re: Adverbs

The label Adverb is applied to a diverse collection of uninflected words which are divided into sub-classes when you get to intermediate level study. If your reading Richard E. Young that is an intermediate text book. Adverbs are mobile elements which which often drift toward the front end of a clau...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 15th, 2020, 2:16 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 7304

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

In volume one alone , Guy Cooper devotes over 130 pages to the article . I didn't even bother to look at volume three which focuses Herodotus and poetic texts. I wasn't able to find an e-text of Cooper online so I dictated this to my MacBook Pro. I proof read this with reasonable care but it comes w...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 13th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.
Replies: 3
Views: 712

Re: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.

Origenes Dialogus cum Heraclide Section 5, line 16 Μόνη ἡ ἐκκλησία <παρὰ> πάσας τὰς αἱρέσεις ἀρνουμένας τὴν ἀνάστασιν ὁμολογεῖ ἀνάστασιν νεκροῦ σώματος, ὡς ἀκολούθου ὄντος τῷ τὴν ἀπαρχὴν ἐγηγέρθαι ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι. Why isn't there an article in both places? Are not νεκρῶν and ν...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 12th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.
Replies: 3
Views: 712

Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.

Origenes Dialogus cum Heraclide Section 5, line 16 Μόνη ἡ ἐκκλησία <παρὰ> πάσας τὰς αἱρέσεις ἀρνουμένας τὴν ἀνάστασιν ὁμολογεῖ ἀνάστασιν νεκροῦ σώματος, ὡς ἀκολούθου ὄντος τῷ τὴν ἀπαρχὴν ἐγηγέρθαι ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι. Not wanting to further intrude on the other thread[1] ... here ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 12th, 2020, 1:41 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 7304

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

The value of the Patristic evidence is providing a background of data to smoke out fallacies in the NT textbooks, intermediate grammars and discourse studies of the Greek article. A lot of ideas fall on the cutting floor after massive exposure to raw data. Some of my pet notions about the greek arti...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 11th, 2020, 6:06 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 7304

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Here's a question, not directly related to any statement in these grammars: We are talking about prepositions. Prepositions occur only with oblique cases. But oblique cases occur also without prepositions. Are these occurrences governed by different rules even though an oblique case with a preposit...

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