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by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 4:55 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15760

Re: verbal aspect

Jesse Goulet wrote:This looks really helpful, but this is for Classical Greek as the title says. But is it the same for Koine Greek?
Yes, what he says here is true of Koine Greek, certainly what he says in what I have excerpted.

But his examples aren't taken from Koine Greek.
by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 11:33 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15760

Re: verbal aspect

And one last summary table, based on the last, adding the verb Rijksbaron used as an example:
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by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 10:59 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15760

Re: verbal aspect

I modified Rijksbaron's table on Page 5, using different formatting, and naming the tenses explicitly rather than relying on the form of the verb. Here's my version:
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Again, time is only grammaticalized in the indicative.

Does this help?
by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 10:19 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15760

Re: verbal aspect

I hear there is some debate or something about verbal aspect. Can anyone inform me about this? I also hear that Bill Mounce didn't update his latest edition of BBG . So since I'm going through it, can anyone explain or point to a basic piece of introductory work with the updated info so I don't end...
by Jonathan Robie
October 31st, 2011, 9:02 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ι̯
Replies: 4
Views: 1780

ι̯

From Funk's grammar: Class III: Iota Class 359. Class III constitutes a large group of verbs which add ι̯ to the verb stem to form the present tense stem. ι̯ here is a semi-vowel and occasions certain phonetic changes. A rather large subclass consists of verbs with stems ending in δ: -δι̯ between vo...
by Jonathan Robie
October 28th, 2011, 9:37 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 21:30 εἶπεν· ἐγώ, κύριε· καὶ οὐκ ἀπῆλθεν
Replies: 18
Views: 3275

Re: Matthew 21:30 εἶπεν· ἐγώ, κύριε· καὶ οὐκ ἀπῆλθεν

That still has the sense of "Here I am." ἰδοὺ is regularly used for presentational constructions--see Nicholas Bailey's Thetic Constructions in Koine Greek . "Behold" is a mistranslation that places too much (distracting) emphasis on etymology. Only had time to skim this briefly...
by Jonathan Robie
October 28th, 2011, 8:48 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 21:8 ὁ δὲ πλεῖστος ... ἄλλοι δὲ
Replies: 1
Views: 638

Matthew 21:8 ὁ δὲ πλεῖστος ... ἄλλοι δὲ

8 ὁ δὲ πλεῖστος ὄχλος ἔστρωσαν ἑαυτῶν τὰ ἱμάτια ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ, ἄλλοι δὲ ἔκοπτον κλάδους ἀπὸ τῶν δένδρων καὶ ἐστρώννυον ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ. How should I understand the superlative πλεῖστος here? In opposition to ἄλλοι δὲ - "most of the crowd" ... "others"? Some translations render ὁ δὲ πλεῖστ...
by Jonathan Robie
October 28th, 2011, 8:16 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 21:30 εἶπεν· ἐγώ, κύριε· καὶ οὐκ ἀπῆλθεν
Replies: 18
Views: 3275

Re: Matthew 21:30 εἶπεν· ἐγώ, κύριε· καὶ οὐκ ἀπῆλθεν

Do Gen 22:1,11, 27:1,18, 1 Sam 3:4, 22:12, 2 Sam 1:7 count? Very much so. And they each seem to translate הִנֵּֽנִי. Thanks, Mike, David, George - I think I get it now. ἐγώ, κύριε is a shorter form of ἰδοὺ ἐγώ, κύριε, where ἰδοὺ ἐγώ means the same thing as הִנֵּֽנִי. Is this a Semiticism, or is thi...
by Jonathan Robie
October 27th, 2011, 2:35 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 21:30 εἶπεν· ἐγώ, κύριε· καὶ οὐκ ἀπῆλθεν
Replies: 18
Views: 3275

Re: Matthew 21:30 εἶπεν· ἐγώ, κύριε· καὶ οὐκ ἀπῆλθεν

My take on this is that the response, ἐγώ, κύριε, amounts to the response seen often enough in the OT, "Here am I" as a positive response to a summons: Cf. Ex. 3:4, Isaiah 6:8. Something like, "at your service" (the German resply, "Servus!" or "You can count on me...
by Jonathan Robie
October 27th, 2011, 1:25 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: pronunciation: b-greek teachers vs. classicists
Replies: 5
Views: 3615

Re: pronunciation: b-greek teachers vs. classicists

Related question: if you presented a paper at SBL using either modern or reconstructed pronunciation, how many people would understand you?

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