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by Robert S. Daniel
June 22nd, 2020, 4:02 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Luther's translation of αἰών/αἰώνιος
Replies: 20
Views: 2622

Re: Luther's translation of αἰών/αἰώνιος

I have found some more information that is relevant to this topic, but I would like to ask first before I post it. It concerns the meaning of the Greek word αἰών but since I'm not a native speaker of Koine, I am partly dependent on reverse-engineering the translation of this word into English. Jerom...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 13th, 2020, 8:41 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

You might be interested, for instance, in this. [media]https://youtu.be/lvBfdCRQAtU[/media] Thanks for that pointer! I watched the video. It sounds like classic Lakoff. If you know of any books or journal articles that use metaphor theory to explore themes in the Bible, I would be interested in hea...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 10th, 2020, 11:47 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

Fascinating how many of these conceptual metaphors work across languages. Of course, many don't. If you've read Lakoff and Langacker and that gang, then I'm probably not telling you anything that you don't already know, but there is a reason why (some) metaphors work across languages, and that has ...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 9th, 2020, 4:53 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

In that passage it simply means "mixed with," and what are the poor fellows mixed with? Leprosy. But that sounds odd in English, and so we look for a more idiomatic way to render it, and your translator came up with "polluted." Now that's fine, but isn't really what it says, jus...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 9th, 2020, 2:28 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

Here is a translation of the passage from Perseus, by William Whiston: Manethe adds, "how this namesake of his told him that he might see the gods, if he would clear the whole country of the lepers and of the other impure people; that the king was pleased with this injunction, and got together ...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 9th, 2020, 10:50 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

So we are back to this question: can we find examples of the original literal meaning of this word in Hellenistic Greek? If so, how common and how marked would such a usage be? Robert, I have given you some tools to go search for examples. If you want to convince us that this meaning is in scope fo...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 8th, 2020, 9:18 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

Of course, but these sorts of things are almost always determinable by context. "New meanings" are what our linguists usually call pragmatic extension, and resurrecting "dead meanings" are most often found in literary contexts, so when reading Apollonius' Argonautica , whose wri...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 8th, 2020, 8:22 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

I can't speak to any alleged "blunder" in Exodus 34 unless I know what it is. I will note that the NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew (spoiler!) and that Jerome had both a rhetorical education which would have included a massive amount of Greek and likely was conversant also in the λογὸς...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 8th, 2020, 6:51 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

Yes, I think so. We can certainly discuss how words are used in any given passage or in a given period (by looking at specific passages). We can look at the way meaning of a word evolves over time. Reading an entire passage as a passage to get its context is always in scope. Metaphorical extensions...
by Robert S. Daniel
June 8th, 2020, 6:48 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 3113

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

Another point I'd like to make with both of you guys, that also might be considered off-topic, so I'll just mention it. It is that authors aren't necessarily constrained by established usage of a word. They can bring new meanings into words (or resurrect dead meanings, I would think). I've been thi...

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