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- November 10th, 2011, 5:32 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
- Replies: 44
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Re: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
Then a student of mine told me of finding in Porter's new theory of verbal aspect support for views - which I considered dubious - the student intended to work into her own thesis. Now there was something new to grapple with, it mattered because it was going to make a direct impact on the understan...
- November 10th, 2011, 2:58 pm
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: Joon Kim
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2355
Re: Joon Kim
One thing you're going to have to do in this forum is switch to a real-name identity. See the policy, "User names and profiles" at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=90#p292 Send me an email with your name (jonathan dot robie at ibiblio dot org), and I'll change ...
- November 10th, 2011, 2:30 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
- Replies: 44
- Views: 15247
Re: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
And what I do lament is the fact that it seems so difficult to lay out just what the guy asked for -- a simple and clear statement of matters of consensus regarding verbal aspect in Biblical Koine. http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/download/file.php?id=25 This is what I've used for explaining it ...
- November 9th, 2011, 4:55 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
- Replies: 44
- Views: 15247
Re: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
Jesse Gould's questions on verbal aspect in the beginner's forum sparked some discussion that goes well beyond beginners, and is likely to result in even more interesting and complex discussion. So I'm moving some of those posts to this thread.
- November 9th, 2011, 11:08 am
- Forum: Grammar Questions
- Topic: verbal aspect
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15930
Re: verbal aspect
Nevertheless, I agree with the point Randall Buth made a couple of years back - "All people using Greek have ALWAYS appreciated aspect. Including today," ( http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/2009-April/048813.html ), and this being so, earlier scholars have written valuable materi...
- November 9th, 2011, 11:03 am
- Forum: Grammar Questions
- Topic: verbal aspect
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15930
Re: verbal aspect
Thanks, Rod, for the useful summary. So Rod, for whom I have enormous respect, still agrees with Porter on this. If Jesse wants, we can discuss why some people agree with Porter and others with Fanning, but that's a bit much for the Beginner's Forum. Jesse - you're working through Mounce. I think Mo...
- November 8th, 2011, 5:22 pm
- Forum: Grammar Questions
- Topic: verbal aspect
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15930
Re: verbal aspect
And one quick tidbit on the debates. Decker does not agree with Rijksbaron. From the handout you referred to earlier: In Greek a verb form carries only the grammatical meaning of aspect; it does not express time. For example, the aorist form refers only to the way the verb is formed/spelled (to be t...
- November 8th, 2011, 4:55 pm
- Forum: Grammar Questions
- Topic: verbal aspect
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15930
Re: verbal aspect
Yes, what he says here is true of Koine Greek, certainly what he says in what I have excerpted.Jesse Goulet wrote:This looks really helpful, but this is for Classical Greek as the title says. But is it the same for Koine Greek?
But his examples aren't taken from Koine Greek.
- November 8th, 2011, 11:33 am
- Forum: Grammar Questions
- Topic: verbal aspect
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15930
Re: verbal aspect
And one last summary table, based on the last, adding the verb Rijksbaron used as an example:
- November 8th, 2011, 10:59 am
- Forum: Grammar Questions
- Topic: verbal aspect
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15930
Re: verbal aspect
I modified Rijksbaron's table on Page 5, using different formatting, and naming the tenses explicitly rather than relying on the form of the verb. Here's my version:
Again, time is only grammaticalized in the indicative.
Does this help?
Again, time is only grammaticalized in the indicative.
Does this help?