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by Jonathan Robie
November 10th, 2011, 5:32 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
Replies: 44
Views: 15247

Re: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)

Then a student of mine told me of finding in Porter's new theory of verbal aspect support for views - which I considered dubious - the student intended to work into her own thesis. Now there was something new to grapple with, it mattered because it was going to make a direct impact on the understan...
by Jonathan Robie
November 10th, 2011, 2:58 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Joon Kim
Replies: 6
Views: 2355

Re: Joon Kim

One thing you're going to have to do in this forum is switch to a real-name identity. See the policy, "User names and profiles" at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=90#p292 Send me an email with your name (jonathan dot robie at ibiblio dot org), and I'll change ...
by Jonathan Robie
November 10th, 2011, 2:30 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
Replies: 44
Views: 15247

Re: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)

And what I do lament is the fact that it seems so difficult to lay out just what the guy asked for -- a simple and clear statement of matters of consensus regarding verbal aspect in Biblical Koine. http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/download/file.php?id=25 This is what I've used for explaining it ...
by Jonathan Robie
November 9th, 2011, 4:55 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)
Replies: 44
Views: 15247

Re: verbal aspect (split from Beginner's Forum)

Jesse Gould's questions on verbal aspect in the beginner's forum sparked some discussion that goes well beyond beginners, and is likely to result in even more interesting and complex discussion. So I'm moving some of those posts to this thread.
by Jonathan Robie
November 9th, 2011, 11:08 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15930

Re: verbal aspect

Nevertheless, I agree with the point Randall Buth made a couple of years back - "All people using Greek have ALWAYS appreciated aspect. Including today," ( http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/2009-April/048813.html ), and this being so, earlier scholars have written valuable materi...
by Jonathan Robie
November 9th, 2011, 11:03 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15930

Re: verbal aspect

Thanks, Rod, for the useful summary. So Rod, for whom I have enormous respect, still agrees with Porter on this. If Jesse wants, we can discuss why some people agree with Porter and others with Fanning, but that's a bit much for the Beginner's Forum. Jesse - you're working through Mounce. I think Mo...
by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 5:22 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15930

Re: verbal aspect

And one quick tidbit on the debates. Decker does not agree with Rijksbaron. From the handout you referred to earlier: In Greek a verb form carries only the grammatical meaning of aspect; it does not express time. For example, the aorist form refers only to the way the verb is formed/spelled (to be t...
by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 4:55 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15930

Re: verbal aspect

Jesse Goulet wrote:This looks really helpful, but this is for Classical Greek as the title says. But is it the same for Koine Greek?
Yes, what he says here is true of Koine Greek, certainly what he says in what I have excerpted.

But his examples aren't taken from Koine Greek.
by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 11:33 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15930

Re: verbal aspect

And one last summary table, based on the last, adding the verb Rijksbaron used as an example:
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by Jonathan Robie
November 8th, 2011, 10:59 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 15930

Re: verbal aspect

I modified Rijksbaron's table on Page 5, using different formatting, and naming the tenses explicitly rather than relying on the form of the verb. Here's my version:
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Again, time is only grammaticalized in the indicative.

Does this help?

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