Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script
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Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script
Hi all,
I was wondering if someone could help me decipher an unfamiliar font from an A.D. 1611 Photius manuscript. The sentence captioned below is from Photius' Library. It's the section reporting Aenesidemus' views on the differences between Pyrrhonian and Academic scepticism.
The words that I understand from the highlighted section are και and πολλων δογματιζουσιν. The rest is difficult for me to read. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Cheers.
I was wondering if someone could help me decipher an unfamiliar font from an A.D. 1611 Photius manuscript. The sentence captioned below is from Photius' Library. It's the section reporting Aenesidemus' views on the differences between Pyrrhonian and Academic scepticism.
The words that I understand from the highlighted section are και and πολλων δογματιζουσιν. The rest is difficult for me to read. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Cheers.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script
See http://bibletranslation.ws/down/ligatures.pdfφράζομεν. οἱ δ’ ἀπὸ τῆς ἀκαδημίας, φησί, μάλιστα τῆς νῦν, καὶ στωϊκαῖς
συμφέρονται ἐνίοτε δόξαις, καὶ εἰ χρὴ τἀληθὲς εἰπεῖν, στωϊκοὶ φαίνονται
μαχόμενοι στωϊκοῖς. δεύτερον, καὶ περὶ πολλῶν δογματίζουσιν. ἀρετήν
τε γὰρ καὶ ἀφροσύνην εἰσάγουσι, καὶ ἀγαθὸν καὶ κακὸν ὑποτίθενται, καὶ ἀ-
λήθειαν καὶ ψεῦδος, καὶ δὴ καὶ πιθανὸν καὶ ἀπίθανον καὶ ὂν καὶ μὴ ὄν, ἄλλα τε
πολλὰ βεβαίως ὁρίζουσι. διαμφισβητεῖν δέ φασι περὶ μόνης τῆς καταλη-
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script
Cool!
I would like to get better at reading various historical Greek scripts. Are there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
I would like to get better at reading various historical Greek scripts. Are there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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The link I added to my original reply has over a dozen such examples, ranging from the eighth to fifteenth century, but the resolution is not always good. For reference, it is http://bibletranslation.ws/down/ligatures.pdfJonathan Robie wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 7:47 amAre there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
Ken M. Penner
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General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
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Cool - If anyone knows more resources along these lines, perhaps with better images, I'd love to see them. Every once in a while I try to read a medieval manuscript and I just can't.Ken M. Penner wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 7:50 amThe link I added to my original reply has over a dozen such examples, ranging from the eighth to fifteenth century, but the resolution is not always good. For reference, it is http://bibletranslation.ws/down/ligatures.pdfJonathan Robie wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 7:47 amAre there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
This index is somewhat helpful (but transcriptions are really useful for practice, and it doesn't have them):
An Index of Greek Ligatures and Contractions
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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A classic is at An introduction to Greek and Latin palaeography from which many examples in the above-mentioned PDF are taken.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 8:33 amIf anyone knows more resources along these lines, perhaps with better images, I'd love to see them. Every once in a while I try to read a medieval manuscript and I just can't.
Ken M. Penner
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While we're talking about paleography: If you want to develop and practice your deciphering skills, why not contribute to a New Testament project that still has its call for volunteer contributors up at http://cal-itsee.bham.ac.uk/itseeweb/ig ... ibute.html
It even has tutorials.
It even has tutorials.
Ken M. Penner
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
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Thanks so much, Ken! Your PDF will also help a lot.
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Fun stuff! Let me add, the more familiar with the language, the easier it becomes to read odd but beautiful scripts.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script
After spending a lot of the past year on looking at medieval manuscripts, the light bulb moment for me was think more about the inputs--how the pen moves across the parchment--instead of the output, as in the final shape of the letters.
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
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Melbourne, Australia