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The negation of perfect verb forms
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Re: The negation of perfect verb forms
If indeed from εἴκω, "to have resembled, to have been like" becomes the completed or settled state represented by our English "seem."Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑September 12th, 2018, 11:12 pmἔοικεν
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
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Excellent. I’ll take “completed or settled state” over “completed action.” That’s a big step in the right direction.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑September 14th, 2018, 9:36 am If indeed from εἴκω, "to have resembled, to have been like" becomes the completed or settled state represented by our English "seem."
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The key words being "completed" and "settled."Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑September 14th, 2018, 10:01 amExcellent. I’ll take “completed or settled state” over “completed action.” That’s a big step in the right direction.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑September 14th, 2018, 9:36 am If indeed from εἴκω, "to have resembled, to have been like" becomes the completed or settled state represented by our English "seem."
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Re: The negation of perfect verb forms
Really? You're doing this?Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑September 12th, 2018, 9:18 am It's one example out of many. I also gave ἔοικα. Please tell me how "the perfect refers simply to completed action" in James 1:6: αἰτείτω δὲ ἐν πίστει μηδὲν διακρινόμενος · ὁ γὰρ διακρινόμενος ἔοικεν κλύδωνι θαλάσσης ἀνεμιζομένῳ καὶ ῥιπιζομένῳ.
State predicates don't behave like that.
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Who are you asking? Barry was claiming that there's a completed "action." I disagree and so I want to know from him where he thinks the action is in a state predicate.MAubrey wrote: ↑September 17th, 2018, 4:56 pmReally? You're doing this?Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑September 12th, 2018, 9:18 am It's one example out of many. I also gave ἔοικα. Please tell me how "the perfect refers simply to completed action" in James 1:6: αἰτείτω δὲ ἐν πίστει μηδὲν διακρινόμενος · ὁ γὰρ διακρινόμενος ἔοικεν κλύδωνι θαλάσσης ἀνεμιζομένῳ καὶ ῥιπιζομένῳ.
State predicates don't behave like that.
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And I actually answered that.Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑September 17th, 2018, 7:03 pmWho are you asking? Barry was claiming that there's a completed "action." I disagree and so I want to know from him where he thinks the action is in a state predicate.MAubrey wrote: ↑September 17th, 2018, 4:56 pmReally? You're doing this?Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑September 12th, 2018, 9:18 am It's one example out of many. I also gave ἔοικα. Please tell me how "the perfect refers simply to completed action" in James 1:6: αἰτείτω δὲ ἐν πίστει μηδὲν διακρινόμενος · ὁ γὰρ διακρινόμενος ἔοικεν κλύδωνι θαλάσσης ἀνεμιζομένῳ καὶ ῥιπιζομένῳ.
State predicates don't behave like that.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
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Ph.D. Student U of FL
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Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
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I have a feeling Mike's comment came in media res.
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