Yeah, that could be a recipe for disaster if mixed in to the wrong recipe.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑July 27th, 2023, 9:42 am I wouldn't want to bake this interpretation into my understanding of what the Greek word means.
Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
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Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
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Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
The Wiktionary page describes modern Greek punctuation, but some editions follow Byzantine practice. Actually, (2) is basically fine though inadequate since one would have know what a κόμμα is, and (1) is merely an example of (2). More pertinently, this punctuation mark separates colons (κῶλα), and vocatives can form a colon.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑July 22nd, 2023, 6:23 pm Wiktionary tells me that the άνω τελεία is used thus:
1. Separates groups of clauses in a sentence.
2. Separates two parts of a sentence where a κόμμα is thought to be inadequate.
But Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς is not a clause, and the whitespace separates these three very parallel lines (which I am putting back together below):
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Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
I think interpretation always has to be a balanced interplay between prototypical meaning(s) of words and their meaning within context (both immediate and larger). But I'll leave off further discussion here as I'm still pretty much a beginner when it comes to the former.
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Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Where can I find a useful discussion of this? I really don't know anything about Byzantine Greek punctuation.Stephen Carlson wrote: ↑August 1st, 2023, 12:25 amThe Wiktionary page describes modern Greek punctuation, but some editions follow Byzantine practice. Actually, (2) is basically fine though inadequate since one would have know what a κόμμα is, and (1) is merely an example of (2). More pertinently, this punctuation mark separates colons (κῶλα), and vocatives can form a colon.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑July 22nd, 2023, 6:23 pm Wiktionary tells me that the άνω τελεία is used thus:
1. Separates groups of clauses in a sentence.
2. Separates two parts of a sentence where a κόμμα is thought to be inadequate.
But Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς is not a clause, and the whitespace separates these three very parallel lines (which I am putting back together below):
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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