Re: Is this a legitimate translation of Hebrews 1:8?
Posted: December 5th, 2020, 11:42 am
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This time I intentionally edited the post to correct the link.Bill Ross wrote: ↑December 5th, 2020, 11:42 am In my original question I cite this source:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B8%C ... #Adjective
If that is the case (and I suppose you are right) then my original question is moot.Adjective
θεός • (theós)
divine (used only in comparative: θεώτερος (theṓteros))
However, I think that the article would rule out anything but the one true God in the Koine of Hebrews (not that Hebrews often lines up with the Hebrew).JPS Psalms 45:
7Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.
Your throne, O judge: Your throne, O prince and judge, shall exist forever and ever, as the matter that is stated (Exod. 7:1): “I have made you a judge אלהים) (נתתיך over Pharaoh.” And why? Because “a scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom,” that your judgments are true, and you are fit to govern.8You loved righteousness and you hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of joy from among your peers.
anointed you…
with oil of joy: Every expression of greatness is depicted by the anointment of oil, as is the custom of the kings.
What is "late" in this context? Is Koine "late"?θεός , ὁ, Boeot. θιός , Lacon. σιός (v. infr.), Cypr., Cret. θιός Inscr.Cypr.135.27 H., Leg.Gort.1.1, Dor. also θεύς Call.Cer.58; acc. θεῦν v.l. ib.130; voc. (only late) θεός, also...
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...III. as Adj. in Comp. θεώτερος, divine, θύραι θ., opp. καταιβαταὶ ἀνθρώποισιν, Od.13.111; χορὸς θ. Call.Ap. 93, cf.Dian.249, D.P.257. (Derived by Hdt.2.52 fr. τίθημι (κόσμῳ θέντες τὰ πρήγματα), by Pl.Cra.397d fr. θεῖν. Etym. dub.) [In Ep. (twice in Hom.) and Trag. (E.Ba.47, 1347, al., not in Com.), as monosyll. by synizesis, “θεοί” Il.1.18, Thgn.142; “θεῶν” h.Cer.55, 259; “θεοῖς” Thgn.171; “θεοῖσιν” Od.14.251; “θεούς” h.Cer.325: even in nom. θεός before a vowel, E.Or.399 (cf. Pors. ad loc.), HF347; in Pi.P. 1.56 apptly. a short monosyll.]...
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...2. metaph., of abstract things, “τὸ δ᾽ εὐτυχεῖν τόδ᾽ ἐν βροτοῖς θεός τε καὶ θεοῦ πλέον” A.Ch.60; “ἡ φρόνησις ἁγαθὴ θ. μέγας” S.Fr.922; “θ. γὰρ καὶ τὸ γιγνώσκειν φίλους” E.Hel.<*>60; ὁ πλοῦτος τοῖς σοφοῖς θ. Id.Cyc.316; φθόνος κάκιστος θ. Hippothoon 2.
3. as title of rulers, θεῶν ἀδελφῶν (sc. Ptolemy Il and Arsinoe), Herod.1.30, etc.; “Πτολεμαῖος ὑπάρχων θεὸς ἐκ θεοῦ καὶ θεᾶς” OGI90.10(Rosetta, ii B.C.); “Ἀντίοχος ὅτῳ θεὸς ἐπώνυμον γίγνεται” App.Syr.65; θεὸς ἐκ θεοῦ, of Augustus, OGI655.2 (Egypt, 24 B.C.); “θ. ἡμῶν καὶ δεσπότης” IPE4.71 (Cherson., ii A.D.).
b. = Lat. Divus, Mon.Anc.Gr.10.4, Str.4.1.1, etc.; οἱ ἐν θεοῖς αὐτοκράτορες,= divi Imperatores, IG12(1).786 (Rhodes).
c. generally of the dead, “καὶ ζῶντός σου καὶ εἰς θεοὺς ἀπελθόντος” PPetr.2p.45 (iii B.C.); θεοῖς χθονίοις,= Lat. Dis Manibus, IG14.30,al.
4. one set in authority, judge, τὸ κριτήριον τοῦ θ., ἐνώπιον τοῦ θ., LXXEx.21.6, 22.8; θεοὺς οὐ κακολογήσεις ib.22.28(27)...
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Yes, Koiné is post-classical. It's late Greek.Bill Ross wrote: ↑December 5th, 2020, 12:48 pm Okay, so I found this in Liddell:
What is "late" in this context? Is Koine "late"?θεός , ὁ, Boeot. θιός , Lacon. σιός (v. infr.), Cypr., Cret. θιός Inscr.Cypr.135.27 H., Leg.Gort.1.1, Dor. also θεύς Call.Cer.58; acc. θεῦν v.l. ib.130; voc. (only late) θεός, also...
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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ntry=qeo/sJPS Psalms 45:
7Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.
Your throne, O judge: Your throne, O prince and judge, shall exist forever and ever, as the matter that is stated (Exod. 7:1): “I have made you a judge אלהים) (נתתיך over Pharaoh.” And why? Because “a scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom,” that your judgments are true, and you are fit to govern.
8You loved righteousness and you hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of joy from among your peers.
anointed you…
with oil of joy: Every expression of greatness is depicted by the anointment of oil, as is the custom of the kings.