Roy Fredrick wrote:David Lim wrote:Roy Fredrick wrote:Who draws as a current to oneself,? that is of course the Πάτερ ἡμῶν
Sorry I can't figure out what you are trying to say in any of your posts. Can you say what you mean clearly?
Thanks, yes, what it is saying is that God is the flowing Spirit of waters, a current that draws you into His flowing portion of grace, if you follow the commands. The flowing portion, portion of grace, ρεύση
Let me point out that nothing in the Greek particularly leads us to this particular, ah, theological, conclusion. Please restrict your comments specifically to the Greek texts. For your edification, here is BDAG on ῥύομαι, and comment below that:
ῥύομαι mid. dep. (Hom.+—Anz 275f; FChase, The Lord’s Prayer in the Early Church: Texts and Studies I/3, 1891, 71ff) fut. ῥύσομαι; 1 aor. ἐ(ρ)ρυσάμην, impv. ῥῦσαι Mt 6:13; pf. 3 sg. ἔρυσται [=εἴρυσται] AcPlCor 1:8. Pass.: fut. ῥυσθήσομαι LXX; 1 aor. ἐ(ρ)ρύσθην (on the spelling w. one ρ or two s. B-D-F §11, 1; 101 p. 48; Mlt-H. 101f; 193) to rescue from danger, save, rescue, deliver, preserve τινά someone (Hippol., Ref. 8, 10, 3; Theoph. Ant. 3, 9 [p. 224, 15]) Mt 27:43; 1 Cl 16:16 (both Ps 21:9); 2 Pt 2:7; 1 Cl 8:4 (Is 1:17); 22:8 (Ps 33:20) v.l.; 55:6; 2 Cl 6:8 (Ezk 14:18). τινὰ ἀπό τινος rescue, save, deliver, or preserve someone fr. someone or someth. (B-D-F §180; s. also Rob. 517f.—Pr 2:12; Is 25:4; Ezk 37:23; 1 Macc 12:15; PsSol 4:23 al.; TestReub 4:10; JosAs 12:7; ApcSed 16:7; Sib-Or 2, 344; ἀπὸ τῆς πλάνης Orig., C. Cels. 5, 33, 39; Did., Gen. 154, 20) Mt 6:13; Lk 11:4 v.l. (on the subject matter s. Hierocles 25 [ln. 61], 474 Ζεῦ πάτερ, ἦ πολλῶν κε κακῶν λύσειας ἅπαντας); 2 Ti 4:18; 1 Cl 60:3b; D 8:2; 10:5. Pass. Ac 5:15 v.l.; Ro 15:31; 2 Th 3:2; 1 Cl 60:3a. Also τινὰ ἔκ τινος (Anacreon 111 Diehl; Hdt. 5, 49; Diod S 12, 53, 1; hymn to Isis: SEG VIII, 548, 27 [I B.C.]; PBad 48, 3 [126 B.C.] ἐκ πολεμίων; LXX; TestSim 2:8; Jos., Ant. 12, 407; Just., D. 111, 3; Mel., P. 68, 489.—Aristoxenus, Fgm. 113 ῥύεσθαι καὶ ἐρύεσθαι διαφορὰν ἔχει πρὸς ἄλληλα. τὸ μὲν γὰρ ῥύεσθαι ἐκ θανάτου ἕλκειν, τὸ δὲ ἐρύεσθαι φυλάττειν=‘ῥύεσθαι and ἐρύεσθαι are different: ῥ. means rescuing fr. death, but ἐ. to ward off [death]’) 2 Ti 3:11; from death (SibOr 2, 81; Just., D. 111, 3) 2 Cor 1:10a; 1 Cl 56:9 (Job 5:20); 2 Cl 16:4 (w. acc. to be supplied); fr. the power of darkness Col 1:13 (cp. JosAs 15:13 ἐκ τοῦ σκότους); fr. wrath to come 1 Th 1:10; fr. blood-guilt 1 Cl 18:14 (Ps 50:16); fr. all afflictions 22:7 (Ps 33:18); fr. eternal punishment 2 Cl 6:7; fr. temptation 2 Pt 2:9. τίς με ῥύσεται ἐκ τοῦ σώματος τοῦ θανάτου τούτου; who will set me free from this body of death? Ro 7:24. ἐκ δεσμῶν ἐρύσατο τὸν κόσμον ὅλον (God, who) rescued the entire world from its chains AcPl Ha 3, 7. ἐκ χειρὸς ἀνόμου ὁ θεὸς ἐρύσατο τὸν Ἰσραήλ 8, 10. εἴρυσταί σε κύριος ἐκ χειρὸς ἀνόμου the Lord rescues you from a lawless hand AcPlCor 1:8 (on the form Schwyzer I 681 n. 1: ‘praesentisches Perfekt’). Pass. ῥυσθῆναι ἐκ χειρός τινος be rescued from someone’s power Lk 1:74 (cp. Jos., Vi. 83, Ant. 7, 151; JosAs 28:3 ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἐκ τῶν χειρῶν τῶν ἀδελφῶν). ἐκ στόματος λέοντος be saved from the jaws of the lion 2 Ti 4:17. ῥ. τινά τινι save someone by someth. (Diod S 13, 64, 6 ἐρρύσατο χρήμασι τὴν ἰδίαν ψυχήν=his life by means of money) 2 Cl 6:9. Also ῥ. τινα διά τινος 1 Cl 55:1. Abs. Mt 27:43 (for a ‘divine’ rescue of a θεοσεβής fr. extreme danger s. Hdt. 1, 86, 2, Croesus on the pyre: Κῦρος βουλόμενος εἰδέναι εἴ τίς μιν δαιμόνων ῥύσεται τοῦ μὴ ζῶντα κατακαυθῆναι=Cyrus wishing to know whether some divinity would rescue (Croesus) from being burned alive. S. also Ps 21:9); 2 Cor 1:10b; AcPl Ha 2, 30. ῥυσθείητε ἀπὸ τούτων ἁπάντων may you be delivered from all these (men or sins) D 5:2.—Subst. ὁ ῥυόμενος the deliverer Ro 11:26 (Is 59:20); 1 Cl 35:11 (Ps 49:22).—DELG s.v. ἔρυμαι. M-M. EDNT. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed.) (907–908). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
You are apparently confusing this with ῥέω, a different root altogether. Here is a link to the classical Greek root from which the deponent derives:
http://tinyurl.com/9pyq86a
Notice it says nothing about flowing waters of any kind.