ὁ δὲ εἶπεν Ὑπάγετε εἰς τὴν πόλιν πρὸς τὸν δεῖνα καὶ εἴπατε αὐτῷ Ὁ διδάσκαλος λέγει Ὁ καιρός μου ἐγγύς ἐστιν πρὸς σὲ ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
My questions concerns the phrase πρὸς σὲ ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου. What is the meaning of πρὸς and μετὰ here? It doesn't seem like they both can be translated as "with," or can they?
Matt. 26:18 - πρὸς σὲ and μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
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Re: Matt. 26:18 - πρὸς σὲ and μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
πρὸς σὲ with ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα means "I'm celebrating Passover at your place; here πρὸς + acc. functions like Latin apud, French chez, or German bei in the sense of "in your presence" or "at your place."Mike Baber wrote:ὁ δὲ εἶπεν Ὑπάγετε εἰς τὴν πόλιν πρὸς τὸν δεῖνα καὶ εἴπατε αὐτῷ Ὁ διδάσκαλος λέγει Ὁ καιρός μου ἐγγύς ἐστιν πρὸς σὲ ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
My questions concerns the phrase πρὸς σὲ ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου. What is the meaning of πρὸς and μετὰ here? It doesn't seem like they both can be translated as "with," or can they?
μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου with ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα means "I am celebrating Passover with my disciples" -- "in company with my disciples."
If you want the woodenliy literal version, it's "I'm doing Passover by you with my disciples."
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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Re: Matt. 26:18 - πρὸς σὲ and μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
Thanks Carl.
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Re: Matt. 26:18 - πρὸς σὲ and μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
Is there enough in the πρός for us to know who was supplying the food? Is it more accurately:cwconrad wrote:πρὸς σὲ with ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα means "I'm celebrating Passover at your place; here πρὸς + acc. functions like Latin apud, French chez, or German bei in the sense of "in your presence" or "at your place."
μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου with ποιῶ τὸ πάσχα means "I am celebrating Passover with my disciples" -- "in company with my disciples."
- "I'll be joining you for Pascha with my disciples." or
"I'll need a room at your place to hold Pascha with my disciples."
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
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Re: Matt. 26:18 - πρὸς σὲ and μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν μου
Stephen Hughs wrote:
Seriously though, I don't think there is any particular indication though I don't think Tupperware had yet been invented so I doubt that a pot luck dinner was envisioned. Probably the host would prepare the meal as well as providing the facilities for the dinner, but that isn't something you're going to get from the language of the passage
I think it means "You will prepare the food, serve the tables and clean up afterward."Is there enough in the πρός for us to know who was supplying the food? Is it more accurately: "I'll be joining you for Pascha with my disciples." or
"I'll need a room at your place to hold Pascha with my disciples."
Seriously though, I don't think there is any particular indication though I don't think Tupperware had yet been invented so I doubt that a pot luck dinner was envisioned. Probably the host would prepare the meal as well as providing the facilities for the dinner, but that isn't something you're going to get from the language of the passage
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… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus