why have you forsaken me?
ἵνα τί με ἐγκατέλιπες
Why is this hina clause not in subjunctive mood?ἵνα τί με ἐγκατέλιπες
The ἵνα clause has no verb. It's just ἵνα τί. You could think of it as "You abandoned me in order to what?" if it helps you to English it differently.TonyChanYT wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 12:26 pmἵνα τί με ἐγκατέλιπεςWhy is this hina clause not in subjunctive mood?
Exactly. Consider the 'subjunctive' to be inside the τί, as if to say "in order that [it would be] what?'Ken M. Penner wrote: ↑August 6th, 2020, 9:07 amThe ἵνα clause has no verb. It's just ἵνα τί. You could think of it as "You abandoned me in order to what?" if it helps you to English it differently.TonyChanYT wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 12:26 pmἵνα τί με ἐγκατέλιπεςWhy is this hina clause not in subjunctive mood?
I must admit, I've never looked at in that way, simply seen it as another equivalent to the classical τί used in that sense, or the common διὰ τί. However, BDAG:RandallButh wrote: ↑August 6th, 2020, 2:41 pmExactly. Consider the 'subjunctive' to be inside the τί, as if to say "in order that [it would be] what?'Ken M. Penner wrote: ↑August 6th, 2020, 9:07 amThe ἵνα clause has no verb. It's just ἵνα τί. You could think of it as "You abandoned me in order to what?" if it helps you to English it differently.TonyChanYT wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 12:26 pmἵνα τί με ἐγκατέλιπεςWhy is this hina clause not in subjunctive mood?
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 477). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.ἱνατί (oft. written separately; for ἱνα τί γένηται; ‘to what end?’ B-D-F §12, 3; W-S. §5, 7e; Rob. 739) why, for what reason? (Aristoph., Nub. 1192; Pla., Apol. 14 p. 26d, Symp. 205a; Epict. 1, 29, 31; LXX; PsSol 3:1; 4:1; TestAbr A 8 p. 85, 24 [Stone p. 18]; 86, 10f [St. p. 20]; TestJos 7:5; GrBar 1:2; Jos., Bell. 6, 347) Mt 9:4; 27:46 (Ps 21:2); Lk 13:7; Ac 4:25 (Ps 2:1); 7:26; 1 Cor 10:29; 1 Cl 4:4 (Gen 4:6); 35:7 (Ps 49:16); 46:5, 7; B 3:1 (Is 58:4). W. εἰς τί why and for what? D 1:5. B-D-F §299, 4.—M-M. s.v. ἵνα.