the referent of the noun πειρασμός in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4

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the referent of the noun πειρασμός in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4

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Is there any evidence that what the noun πειρασμός refers to in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4 (καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν) is the place where the Wilderness generation put God to the test and is named πειρασμὸς in the LXX (Exod. 17:7 καὶ ἐπωνόμασεν τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ τόπου ἐκείνου πειρασμὸς καὶ λοιδόρησις διὰ τὴν λοιδορίαν τῶν υἱῶν Ισραηλ καὶ διὰ τὸ πειράζειν κύριον λέγοντας εἰ ἔστιν κύριος ἐν ἡμῗν ἢ οὔ)?

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Re: the referent of the noun πειρασμός in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4

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jgibson000 wrote: April 24th, 2021, 9:36 am Is there any evidence that what the noun πειρασμός refers to in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4 (καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν) is the place where the Wilderness generation put God to the test and is named πειρασμὸς in the LXX (Exod. 17:7 καὶ ἐπωνόμασεν τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ τόπου ἐκείνου πειρασμὸς καὶ λοιδόρησις διὰ τὴν λοιδορίαν τῶν υἱῶν Ισραηλ καὶ διὰ τὸ πειράζειν κύριον λέγοντας εἰ ἔστιν κύριος ἐν ἡμῗν ἢ οὔ)?
Your question implies that you think there might be. If so, what indication do you see? Is there anything that clearly points back to Exodus 17? I'm inclined to think there isn't, it says τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δὸς ἡμῖν σήμερον, not δὸς ἡμῖν ὕδωρ, ἵνα πίωμεν (which would refer back to Exodus 17).
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: the referent of the noun πειρασμός in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4

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jgibson000 wrote: April 24th, 2021, 9:36 am Is there any evidence that what the noun πειρασμός refers to in Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4 (καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν) is the place where the Wilderness generation put God to the test and is named πειρασμὸς in the LXX (Exod. 17:7 καὶ ἐπωνόμασεν τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ τόπου ἐκείνου πειρασμὸς καὶ λοιδόρησις διὰ τὴν λοιδορίαν τῶν υἱῶν Ισραηλ καὶ διὰ τὸ πειράζειν κύριον λέγοντας εἰ ἔστιν κύριος ἐν ἡμῗν ἢ οὔ)?

Jeffrey
Isn't the name in Ex 17:7 πειρασμὸς καὶ λοιδόρησις not just πειρασμὸς ?

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