προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Gregory Hartzler-Miller
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προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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If in Gal 1:16
οὐ προσανεθέμην σαρκὶ καὶ αἵματι
...I did not consult with flesh and blood

Why not similarly in Gal 2:6?
ἐμοὶ γὰρ οἱ δοκοῦντες οὐδὲν προσανέθεντο
...the recognized ones did not consult with me
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Gregory Hartzler-Miller wrote: May 19th, 2021, 12:54 pm If in Gal 1:16
οὐ προσανεθέμην σαρκὶ καὶ αἵματι
...I did not consult with flesh and blood

Why not similarly in Gal 2:6?
ἐμοὶ γὰρ οἱ δοκοῦντες οὐδὲν προσανέθεντο
...the recognized ones did not consult with me
Could you clarify precisely what you are asking? It's not clear to me, at least.
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Barry Hofstetter wrote: May 19th, 2021, 2:09 pm
Gregory Hartzler-Miller wrote: May 19th, 2021, 12:54 pm If in Gal 1:16
οὐ προσανεθέμην σαρκὶ καὶ αἵματι
...I did not consult with flesh and blood

Why not similarly in Gal 2:6?
ἐμοὶ γὰρ οἱ δοκοῦντες οὐδὲν προσανέθεντο
...the recognized ones did not consult with me
Could you clarify precisely what you are asking? It's not clear to me, at least.
Apart from surrounding context in Galatians, is there anything in these Greek phrases alone, as quoted above to indicate that this translation of Gal 2:6 is wrong? Or, is the prevailing interpretation based entirely on an interpretation of surrounding context?
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Apart from surrounding context in Galatians, is there anything in these Greek phrases alone, as quoted above to indicate that this translation of Gal 2:6 is wrong? Or, is the prevailing interpretation based entirely on an interpretation of surrounding context?
It's not completely an issue of the surrounding context. The two clauses have different complementation patterns. Gal 1:6 has a (compound) dative complement. Gal 2:6 has both a dative complement and an accusative complement. These differing complementation patterns limit the range of senses in which the verb can be understood in each case.

Maybe, though it's not clear from your translation, you've understood οὐδέν as an adverbial accusative, something like "in no way consulted with me", but it's not immediately evident to me how that would make good sense in the wider context, especially when a more plausible alternative is available.
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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John Kendall wrote: May 19th, 2021, 7:07 pm
Apart from surrounding context in Galatians, is there anything in these Greek phrases alone, as quoted above to indicate that this translation of Gal 2:6 is wrong? Or, is the prevailing interpretation based entirely on an interpretation of surrounding context?
It's not completely an issue of the surrounding context. The two clauses have different complementation patterns. Gal 1:6 has a (compound) dative complement. Gal 2:6 has both a dative complement and an accusative complement. These differing complementation patterns limit the range of senses in which the verb can be understood in each case.

Maybe, though it's not clear from your translation, you've understood οὐδέν as an adverbial accusative, something like "in no way consulted with me", but it's not immediately evident to me how that would make good sense in the wider context, especially when a more plausible alternative is available.

Cf οὐδέν με ἠδικήσατε (Gal 4:12):
in no way wronged me (with οὐδέν as an adverbial accusative)

But is this wrong on account of how οὐδέν με are both accusative and so go together? (I suppose one would say that the verb, ἠδικήσατε, has two accusative compliments).
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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John Kendall wrote: May 19th, 2021, 7:07 pm
Apart from surrounding context in Galatians, is there anything in these Greek phrases alone, as quoted above to indicate that this translation of Gal 2:6 is wrong? Or, is the prevailing interpretation based entirely on an interpretation of surrounding context?
It's not completely an issue of the surrounding context. The two clauses have different complementation patterns. Gal 1:6 has a (compound) dative complement. Gal 2:6 has both a dative complement and an accusative complement. These differing complementation patterns limit the range of senses in which the verb can be understood in each case.

Maybe, though it's not clear from your translation, you've understood οὐδέν as an adverbial accusative, something like "in no way consulted with me", but it's not immediately evident to me how that would make good sense in the wider context, especially when a more plausible alternative is available.
The "like" button went away, so all I can say now is that this is exactly correct.
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Stephen Carlson wrote: May 20th, 2021, 8:25 am
John Kendall wrote: May 19th, 2021, 7:07 pm
Apart from surrounding context in Galatians, is there anything in these Greek phrases alone, as quoted above to indicate that this translation of Gal 2:6 is wrong? Or, is the prevailing interpretation based entirely on an interpretation of surrounding context?
It's not completely an issue of the surrounding context. The two clauses have different complementation patterns. Gal 1:6 has a (compound) dative complement. Gal 2:6 has both a dative complement and an accusative complement. These differing complementation patterns limit the range of senses in which the verb can be understood in each case.

Maybe, though it's not clear from your translation, you've understood οὐδέν as an adverbial accusative, something like "in no way consulted with me", but it's not immediately evident to me how that would make good sense in the wider context, especially when a more plausible alternative is available.
The "like" button went away, so all I can say now is that this is exactly correct.
I was just about to type this very same reply.
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Gregory Hartzler-Miller wrote: May 20th, 2021, 6:37 am
Cf οὐδέν με ἠδικήσατε (Gal 4:12):
in no way wronged me (with οὐδέν as an adverbial accusative)

But is this wrong on account of how οὐδέν με are both accusative and so go together? (I suppose one would say that the verb, ἠδικήσατε, has two accusative compliments).
I'm sorry if I've missed your point but I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. This is a reasonably common complementation pattern for ἀδικέω. It's not clear to me how it's relevant to the uses of προσανατίθημι in Galatians.

In the case of middle voice occurrences of προσανατίθημι, the two basic complementation patterns take either a single dative complement or an accusative complement with a dative complement. On encountering a clause with what appears to be the latter pattern, I'd say that the default approach should be to interpret it in terms of adding/contributing something (acc.) to someone (dat.) (or some such similar gloss). Only if such a default line of interpretation were somehow incongruous with the context should it be necessary to seek other possibilities such as an adverbial accusative with a different sense for the verb. Maybe there's some linguistic model that would redescribe this in terms of cognitive processing pathways, but I'm no linguist.

I do hope this is of some help to you Gregory.
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Re: προσανέθεντο (Gal 2:6)

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Supurb. Thanks.
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