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Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 7th, 2016, 6:01 pm
by Jonathan Robie
Stephen Hughes wrote:How does the suggestion to go private sit with others participating here?
I can set up forums that are private, I can also set up forums where posts expire to avoid long term embarrassment. I am happy to do either.

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 7th, 2016, 11:50 pm
by Wes Wood
Thomas Dolhanty wrote:
Wes Wood wrote:Right now, my reading goal is nine chapters per day in the New Testament and reading as far as I can through Laws book one without a lexicon. Rereading texts is something new that I am trying, and I think it has been helpful.
Wow! That's a serious undertaking, Wes, and especially if you are reading with reasonably good comprehension of the text! That get's you through John in a bit more than 2 days, Luke in less than 3 days, Acts in 4! If that is a consistent practise day after day, you are reading a lot of Greek, and for sure a whole lot more Greek than I'm reading.
That is what I have been doing for the New Testament, but I wasn't very clear about what I am doing with Laws. With it, I have been starting at the beginning of book one and reading up to the point where I have to use a lexicon and I go a line or two beyond where I stopped the day before. When I read what I wrote Laws, it sounded like I was only reading the words in book one that I knew. That wouldn't be very helpful, would it? :lol:

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 7th, 2016, 11:52 pm
by Thomas Dolhanty
Jonathan Robie wrote:
Stephen Hughes wrote:How does the suggestion to go private sit with others participating here?
I can set up forums that are private, I can also set up forums where posts expire to avoid long term embarrassment. I am happy to do either.
For reasons stated, I think private is a good idea. I have no strong feelings about automatic expiry. However, since I never really look at these after the lesson is learned, it would not matter to me if they disappeared. I would only suggest that they should remain for weeks and not days.

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 7th, 2016, 11:58 pm
by Wes Wood
Jonathan Robie wrote:
Stephen Hughes wrote:How does the suggestion to go private sit with others participating here?
I can set up forums that are private, I can also set up forums where posts expire to avoid long term embarrassment. I am happy to do either.
I am content with whatever everyone else decides. Fear of public embarrassment isn't on my list of concerns. It matters not what I have done, only what I am currently capable of. If all goes well, it will be even more fun to laugh at what I have done in a few more years than it has been the last few days. :D

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 8th, 2016, 2:59 am
by Stephen Hughes
I'm not worried about making mistakes publicly either. What I am interested in is what the general intent of suggesting the "tutorial" conversations go to email is. If Carl is saying that he would be willing to participate openly as a tutor in an email setting, then I could put up with the spamminess of the chain emails that multiway emails generate, and I'd dedicate an email address to it. If he is saying, he thinks we should exchange emails and take this kind of exchange off the forum, then I would like to move to a different way of doing it, which could be agreed upon - preferably somewhere where others who like writing in Greek would like to participate in.

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 8th, 2016, 10:20 am
by cwconrad
Stephen Hughes wrote:I'm not worried about making mistakes publicly either. What I am interested in is what the general intent of suggesting the "tutorial" conversations go to email is. If Carl is saying that he would be willing to participate openly as a tutor in an email setting, then I could put up with the spamminess of the chain emails that multiway emails generate, and I'd dedicate an email address to it. If he is saying, he thinks we should exchange emails and take this kind of exchange off the forum, then I would like to move to a different way of doing it, which could be agreed upon - preferably somewhere where others who like writing in Greek would like to participate in.
A disclaimer on my part is clearly in order; what I posted yesterday regarding Greek compositional tutorial procedures was a statement of my own observations and thinking about the matter, not a prescription intended to be adopted on the forum (neither did I intend to hang out a shingle as a tutor in Greek composition). It would appear that I've failed to recognize the generation-gap here, where people are perfectly content to use smartphones to post questions and answers openly in these compositional threads. If and when I have a critique of my own to offer, I intend to use the PM option rather than the piazza pubblica. Chacun à son goût.

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 8th, 2016, 12:08 pm
by Jonathan Robie
I think it's good to have a composition forum with challenges. I don't mind making some mistakes in public, it's a talent of mine, but I do think correcting and learning from mistakes is helpful. What's the best way to do that?

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 8th, 2016, 1:11 pm
by Thomas Dolhanty
Jonathan Robie wrote:I think it's good to have a composition forum with challenges. I don't mind making some mistakes in public, it's a talent of mine, but I do think correcting and learning from mistakes is helpful. What's the best way to do that?
Although I haven't been much concerned about making mistakes in an open-to-the-world composition forum, I have come around to the point of view that a private forum is a better idea. First because, as I said, it allows the threads to be more easily 'slow-moving'. Secondly, though, let's all be honest here - no one likes to get 'dressed down' before the whole world, and there tends to be a bit of 'dressing down' from time to time.

It is better to try things out and learn language expression by trial and error in a more closed setting. And that is especially true when the correction is less than subtle. I hasten to add honestly that I am not speaking here from personal experience, nor do I have a personal complaint in this regard.

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 8th, 2016, 10:47 pm
by Stephen Hughes
Thomas Dolhanty wrote:It is better to try things out and learn language expression by trial and error in a more closed setting. And that is especially true when the correction is less than subtle. I hasten to add honestly that I am not speaking here from personal experience, nor do I have a personal complaint in this regard.
If yo are referring to me, I think that correction should be absolute, direct, clear, unmixed with either shame or other emotion. Language correction from the outside for some degree sets the pattern or tone for how self-correction from the inside will be done. In my opinion that should be as efficient as possible. Being subtle or polite makes things complex. In a balanced moment, the corrector becomes the corectee's self-correction.

In situation where manners and carrying on are appropriate, corrections can be left for the person themselves to process, understand and apply.

Re: Greek Composition 4x4 Challenge

Posted: February 8th, 2016, 11:03 pm
by Jonathan Robie
Stephen Hughes wrote:I think that correction should be absolute, direct, clear, unmixed with either shame or other emotion.
OK, but the point of correction is to learn and move on. I'm beginning to think that a private subforum for composition is best, and that posts should expire after 2-3 weeks. If you haven't learned from your error in that time, odds are you won't go back. And no need to have these errors haunt us all our lives.