Best online Septuagint?
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
I just want to endorse John Barach's material, which I find very helpful for a variety of longer quotes (saves typing) from a wide range of biblical and post-biblical texts.
Many thanks, John, for providing such a great tool.
From another tool-maker (translating a German commentary on 1 Corinthians),
Jeff Cayzer
Macquarie University
Many thanks, John, for providing such a great tool.
From another tool-maker (translating a German commentary on 1 Corinthians),
Jeff Cayzer
Macquarie University
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
Here's a partial list of sites with the text of the Septuagint.
- http://studybible.info/ABP_GRK
- http://studybible.info/LXX_WH/
- http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/sep/
- http://christogenea.org/LXXMoses
- http://www.myriobiblos.gr/bible/ot/default.asp
- http://sepd.biblos.com/genesis/1.htm
- http://sep.biblos.com/genesis/1.htm
- http://en.katabiblon.com/us/?text=LXX
- http://christianisrael.freevar.com/Genesis+1:1
- http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-te ... efault.asp
- http://www.septuagint.org/LXX
- http://ba.21.free.fr/septuaginta/genese/genese_1.html
- http://www.newadvent.org/bible/gen001.htm
- http://www.ericlevy.com/LXX/
- http://www.judeopedia.org/
- http://www.apostoliki-diakonia.gr/bible ... ain=OldTes
- http://www.orthodoxfathers.com/Palaia-D ... a-Diathiki
- http://www.motorera.com/greek/text/lxx/genesis01.html
- http://biblephone.intercer.net/eplus/index.php/gr/7/
- http://biblephone.intercer.net/wap/bibl ... .php/gr/2/
- http://www.bibelwissenschaft.de/en/onli ... agint-lxx/
- http://patrologia.narod.ru/biblia/lxx/
- http://www.biblekeeper.com/Greek-Septua ... /index.php
- http://www.csvd.org/default.asp?liber=top
- http://ftp.fortunaty.net/text/titus/etc ... t/sept.htm
Ken M. Penner
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
The German Bible Society now publishes Rahlf's LXX text (along with NA-27, the Vulgate, and BHS) online: http://www.academic-bible.com/en/online-bibles/. No text-critical apparatus as of yet.
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
As an update, I've sold the motorera.com site.
The Greek Septuagint with analytical lexicon is now found at http://www.GreekDoc.com
The site also includes the NT and the Early Christian Writings.
All the words of each of these texts are included in the analytical lexicon.
The Greek Septuagint with analytical lexicon is now found at http://www.GreekDoc.com
The site also includes the NT and the Early Christian Writings.
All the words of each of these texts are included in the analytical lexicon.
καὶ ἀνέγνωσαν ἐν βιβλίῳ νόμου τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ ἐδίδασκεν Εσδρας καὶ διέστελλεν ἐν ἐπιστήμῃ κυρίου καὶ συνῆκεν ὁ λαὸς ἐν τῇ ἀναγνώσει. (Neh. 8:8)
[url]http://www.GreekDoc.com/lxx/neh/neh08.html[/url]
[url]http://www.GreekDoc.com/lxx/neh/neh08.html[/url]
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
Thanks for letting us know - I'd be lost without itJBarach-Sr wrote:As an update, I've sold the motorera.com site.
The Greek Septuagint with analytical lexicon is now found at http://www.GreekDoc.com
The site also includes the NT and the Early Christian Writings.
All the words of each of these texts are included in the analytical lexicon.
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
Okay - So I just purchased the LXX with Kraft/Taylor/Wheeler Morphology and LEH Lexicon from Olive Tree (the Bible software I use).
This may seem like an ignorant question, but when I look up a passage in this LXX it doesn't seem to match the chapter-verse(s) of other translations or even the BHS (which I also recently purchased with morphological tagging).
For ex., recently I was wondering about the specific parsing of Psalm 33.6. Here is how it reads in this LXX:
"προσέλθατε πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ φωτίσθητε καὶ τὰ πρόσωπα ὑμῶν οὐ μὴ καταισχυνθῇ."
Obviously (at least to me?), this isn't the same as in our English translations: "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host."
Perhaps this belongs on the beginners forum (& please pardon my error if so - wasn't sure where to post a question regarding the LXX) as such an elementary question, but what am I missing in this LXX?
This may seem like an ignorant question, but when I look up a passage in this LXX it doesn't seem to match the chapter-verse(s) of other translations or even the BHS (which I also recently purchased with morphological tagging).
For ex., recently I was wondering about the specific parsing of Psalm 33.6. Here is how it reads in this LXX:
"προσέλθατε πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ φωτίσθητε καὶ τὰ πρόσωπα ὑμῶν οὐ μὴ καταισχυνθῇ."
Obviously (at least to me?), this isn't the same as in our English translations: "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host."
Perhaps this belongs on the beginners forum (& please pardon my error if so - wasn't sure where to post a question regarding the LXX) as such an elementary question, but what am I missing in this LXX?
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
Right - the numbering of Psalms in the Septuagint differs from the numbering in the Hebrew Masoretic Text. As Wikipedia explains:R. Perkins wrote:This may seem like an ignorant question, but when I look up a passage in this LXX it doesn't seem to match the chapter-verse(s) of other translations or even the BHS (which I also recently purchased with morphological tagging).
Kind of makes you wonder what Psalm 32:6 says, doesn't it?R. Perkins wrote:For ex., recently I was wondering about the specific parsing of Psalm 33.6. Here is how it reads in this LXX:
"προσέλθατε πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ φωτίσθητε καὶ τὰ πρόσωπα ὑμῶν οὐ μὴ καταισχυνθῇ."
Obviously (at least to me?), this isn't the same as in our English translations: "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host."
τῷ λόγῳ τοῦ Κυρίου οἱ οὐρανοὶ ἐστερεώθησαν καὶ τῷ πνεύματι τοῦ στόματος αὐτοῦ πᾶσα ἡ δύναμις αὐτῶν·
Well, it sounds like you can read the Greek, you just didn't know the numbering system. Trust me, the numbering system is easier to learn ;->R. Perkins wrote:Perhaps this belongs on the beginners forum (& please pardon my error if so - wasn't sure where to post a question regarding the LXX) as such an elementary question, but what am I missing in this LXX?
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
Ahhh, a million times thank you!Jonathan Robie wrote:Right - the numbering of Psalms in the Septuagint differs from the numbering in the Hebrew Masoretic Text. As Wikipedia explains:R. Perkins wrote:This may seem like an ignorant question, but when I look up a passage in this LXX it doesn't seem to match the chapter-verse(s) of other translations or even the BHS (which I also recently purchased with morphological tagging).
Kind of makes you wonder what Psalm 32:6 says, doesn't it?R. Perkins wrote:For ex., recently I was wondering about the specific parsing of Psalm 33.6. Here is how it reads in this LXX:
"προσέλθατε πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ φωτίσθητε καὶ τὰ πρόσωπα ὑμῶν οὐ μὴ καταισχυνθῇ."
Obviously (at least to me?), this isn't the same as in our English translations: "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host."
τῷ λόγῳ τοῦ Κυρίου οἱ οὐρανοὶ ἐστερεώθησαν καὶ τῷ πνεύματι τοῦ στόματος αὐτοῦ πᾶσα ἡ δύναμις αὐτῶν·Well, it sounds like you can read the Greek, you just didn't know the numbering system. Trust me, the numbering system is easier to learn ;->R. Perkins wrote:Perhaps this belongs on the beginners forum (& please pardon my error if so - wasn't sure where to post a question regarding the LXX) as such an elementary question, but what am I missing in this LXX?
So, am I understanding correctly that I need to just back-track one chapter, while keeping the same verse?
Or (as is most likely), I will need to learn the whole chapter-verse system all over again
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Man, I was furious that I had just bought this resource & couldn't even use it (still cannot copy-paste from the BHS though, but that's another forum
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Also, can I go to any other LXX book (than Psalm) & locate the same chapter-verse as in, say, the NASB...or is there an entirely different numbering system for the LXX?
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You have three choices. You can find a table somewhere to convert between the two systems, you can memorize the differences, or you can do what I do: if you don't find the Psalm you're looking for, try the one before or the one after.R. Perkins wrote:So, am I understanding correctly that I need to just back-track one chapter, while keeping the same verse?
Or (as is most likely), I will need to learn the whole chapter-verse system all over again?
You mostly can. The ordering of books in the LXX is different. The LXX contains material not found in the Masoretic Text. In some books, such as Daniel, the LXX text is quite different from the Hebrew for some chapters. So every once in a while you will get a little lost looking for a verse by its Hebrew citation, but it generally works quite well outside of the Psalms.R. Perkins wrote:Also, can I go to any other LXX book (than Psalm) & locate the same chapter-verse as in, say, the NASB...or is there an entirely different numbering system for the LXX?
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
http://jonathanrobie.biblicalhumanities.org/
http://jonathanrobie.biblicalhumanities.org/
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Re: Best online Septuagint?
One example is from Swete's Introduction, at http://ccel.org/ccel/swete/greekot.iv.ii.htmlJonathan Robie wrote:You can find a table somewhere to convert between the two systems
Ken M. Penner
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org