It may be helpful to note that there's a table of the Greek numerals at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_numerals. Important to know these to turn up for dinner at the right time.τῆι ιϛ ἀπὸ ὥρας θ.
- Alex Hopkins
Melbourne, Australia
It may be helpful to note that there's a table of the Greek numerals at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_numerals. Important to know these to turn up for dinner at the right time.τῆι ιϛ ἀπὸ ὥρας θ.
You beat me to it, I was just about to post this one:Alex Hopkins wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2021, 8:30 am In Barry's latest challenge, the final line reads
It may be helpful to note that there's a table of the Greek numerals at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_numerals. Important to know these to turn up for dinner at the right time.τῆι ιϛ ἀπὸ ὥρας θ.
- Alex Hopkins
Melbourne, Australia
It's often used in the plural where we would expect a singular.S Walch wrote: ↑May 1st, 2021, 12:04 pm Dionysius invites you to dine at his children's wedding* tomorrow at the (house?) of Ischyrion, that being the 30th, from the 9th hour.
* It is plural, but not quite sure that works here in English translation.
Interesting that both this and the previous one just use dative article + genitive of person to indicate "at the house/place."
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 188). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.γάμος, ου, ὁ (Hom.+; sg. and pl. are oft. used interchangeably w. no difference in mng.
Reading in Tobit today I noticed that once the man and woman became what we would call "engaged" the parents of either of them started using child/son/daughter language for the child's soon to be spouse. I wonder if that is the cultural logic behind the plural τέκνων here? Was that sort of "son" and "daughter" language typical in broader Greco-Roman culture for the spouse of your child? No idea where this papyri is from. The sender has a Greek name, but that doesn't necessarily mean much concerning his cultural heritage.εἰς τοὺς γάμους τῶν τέκνων
ἑαυτοῦ
Thanks, Barry.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑May 1st, 2021, 6:43 pmIt's often used in the plural where we would expect a singular.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 188). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.γάμος, ου, ὁ (Hom.+; sg. and pl. are oft. used interchangeably w. no difference in mng.
After a google, the papyrus in question is P. Oxy. 3 524 (Trismegistos link), so its provenance is Greco-Roman Egypt. It is more than possible this is a son-daughter marriage. One would need a few more examples of the same to demonstrate either way.nathaniel j. erickson wrote:Reading in Tobit today I noticed that once the man and woman became what we would call "engaged" the parents of either of them started using child/son/daughter language for the child's soon to be spouse. I wonder if that is the cultural logic behind the plural τέκνων here? Was that sort of "son" and "daughter" language typical in broader Greco-Roman culture for the spouse of your child? No idea where this papyri is from. The sender has a Greek name, but that doesn't necessarily mean much concerning his cultural heritage.
I actually couldn't access that site before posting (It was apparently down). My purpose in posting these to have a bit of fun seeing "NT Greek" outside of the NT context, not necessarily the latest "critical" edition. However, I rather like the lotus reading. Not only is it the lectio difficilior, but apparently the lotus figured fairly prominently in Egyptian culture and worship (someone on facebook where I also posted this found an ancient Egyptian picture of Isis being offered a lotus). So while λαβών makes for a smoother reading, lotus is certainly possible, and would not be nearly as odd as it sounds at first to us. A nice article on the lotus in ancient Egypt:S Walch wrote: ↑May 9th, 2021, 5:38 am The voyage by Antaeopolite is very vexing, and each day I am depressed because of it, and am very worried by the matter.
If it is necessary to give a fee to the brother of the mother of the son* of Axilla, you do well by giving it after you have received* it from Sarapion out of my own expense. Remember the night of Isis that is at the Serapis-Temple.
* I had "I am your father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's former roommate" from Spaceballs flashbacks whilst reading this.
* papyri.info gives this as λαβῶν rather than λωτοῦ - http://papyri.info/ddbdp/p.oxy;3;525#to-app-app01