Acts 13:22 [ανδρα] κατα την καρδιαν μου

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Acts 13:22 [ανδρα] κατα την καρδιαν μου

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22 και μεταστησας αυτον ηγειρεν τον δαυιδ αυτοις εις βασιλεα ω και ειπεν μαρτυρησας ευρον δαυιδ τον του ιεσσαι [ανδρα] κατα την καρδιαν μου ος ποιησει παντα τα θεληματα μου

Is [ανδρα] κατα την καρδιαν μου an idiom, or is it simpler? The surface level meaning is plain enough, but I've heard (can't remember where) that this is an idiom meaning ??????????? (can't remember that also).
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Alan Patterson wrote:22 και μεταστησας αυτον ηγειρεν τον δαυιδ αυτοις εις βασιλεα ω και ειπεν μαρτυρησας ευρον δαυιδ τον του ιεσσαι [ανδρα] κατα την καρδιαν μου ος ποιησει παντα τα θεληματα μου

Is [ανδρα] κατα την καρδιαν μου an idiom, or is it simpler? The surface level meaning is plain enough, but I've heard (can't remember where) that this is an idiom meaning ??????????? (can't remember that also).
① heart as seat of physical, spiritual and mental life (as freq. in Gk. lit.), fig. extension of ‘heart’ as an organ of the body (Il. 13, 282 al.), a mng. not found in our lit.

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

So in other words, it means to be wholeheartedly devoted to God.
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Barry Hofstetter wrote: So in other words, it means to be wholeheartedly devoted to God.
What meaning of κατά are you putting that into?
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Stephen Hughes wrote:
Barry Hofstetter wrote: So in other words, it means to be wholeheartedly devoted to God.
What meaning of κατά are you putting that into?
"According to..."

γ. of a standard of any other kind κ. τ. χρόνον ὃν ἠκρίβωσεν in accordance w. the time which he had ascertained Mt 2:16. κ. τ. πίστιν ὑμῶν acc. to your faith 9:29. κ. τ. δύναμιν acc. to his capability 25:15 (Just., D. 139, 4; Tat. 12, 3; cp. Just., A II, 13, 6 κ. δύναμιν). Cp. Lk 1:38; 2:29; Ro 8:4; 10:2; Eph 4:7. ἀνὴρ κ. τ. καρδίαν μου Ac 13:22 (καρδία 1bε).

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

ε. of the emotions, wishes, desires (Theognis 1, 366; Bacchylides 17, 18): ἐπιθυμίαι τῶν κ. desires of the heart Ro 1:24. ἐπὶ τὴν κ. σου ἀνέβη ἡ ἐπιθυμία τ. πονηρίας Hv 1, 1, 8; cp. Hs 5, 1, 5. ἐνθύμησις m 4, 1, 2; 6, 2, 7. μὴ ἀναβαινέτω σου ἐπὶ τὴν κ. περὶ γυναικός m 4, 1, 1; cp. Hv 1, 2, 4; Mt 5:28.—6:21; 12:34f; Lk 6:45; 12:34; 24:32 (s. καίω 1b); Js 3:14; 5:8. Of joy: ηὐφράνθη ἡ κ. Ac 2:26 (Ps 15:9). χαρήσεται ἡ κ. J 16:22. Of sorrow: ἡ λύπη πεπλήρωκεν τὴν κ. 16:6; λύπη ἐγκάθηται εἰς τὴν κ. grief sits in the heart Hm 10, 3, 3. ἡ κ. ταράσσεται (Job 37:1; Ps 142:4) J 14:1, 27; ὀδύνη τῇ κ. Ro 9:2. συνοχὴ καρδίας anguish of heart 2 Cor 2:4; διαπρίεσθαι ταῖς κ. Ac 7:54; κατανυγῆναι τὴν κ. 2:37; συνθρύπτειν τὴν κ. 21:13. κ. συντετριμμένη a broken heart B 2:10; 1 Cl 18:17b (Ps 50:19). συντετριμμένοι τὴν κ. Lk 4:18 v.l. παρακαλεῖν τὰς κ. Eph 6:22; Col 2:2; 4:8; 2 Th 2:17. Of hope (Ps 111:7) Hm 12, 5, 2. Of repentance ἐξ ὅλης κ. Hv 3, 13, 4; m 5, 1, 7; 12, 6, 1. Of sensitivity about doing what is right (1 Km 24:6; 2 Km 24:10) 1J 3:19, 20, 21 (s. ASkrinjar, Verb. Dom. 20, ’40, 340–50). Of a wish εὐδοκία τῆς κ. (s. εὐδοκία 3) Ro 10:1. Of a longing for God τὴν κ. ἔχειν πρὸς κύριον Hm 10, 1, 6. ἐπιστρέφεσθαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον ἐξ ὅλης τῆς κ. 12, 6, 2 (cp. 3 Km 8:48). προσέρχεσθαι μετὰ ἀληθινῆς κ. with sincere desire (cp. Is 38:3; TestDan 5:3 ἀλ. κ.) Hb 10:22. Cp. the opposite Ac 7:39.—Also of the wish or desire of God ἀνὴρ κατὰ τὴν κ. (τοῦ θεοῦ) after God’s heart i.e. as God wishes him to be Ac 13:22 (cp. 1 Km 13:14).

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
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Wow! Thanks for typing out such a long entry from the dictionary. Such an herculean feat!
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Stephen Hughes wrote:Wow! Thanks for typing out such a long entry from the dictionary. Such an herculean feat!
As the commercial blurb goes, "You too can be a Hercules by using a simple clip and paste from Logos software, which will even automatically insert the reference a second time, when you add on a second section from the same LSJ entry."
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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γελῶ σφόδρα...οὐχί
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cwconrad wrote:
Stephen Hughes wrote:Wow! Thanks for typing out such a long entry from the dictionary. Such an herculean feat!
As the commercial blurb goes, "You too can be a Hercules by using a simple clip and paste from Logos software, which will even automatically insert the reference a second time, when you add on a second section from the same LSJ entry."
What becomes of a sincere expression of gratitude when the thing one is grateful for, was in fact not so painstakingly undertaken as one had believed? Should I apologise for my ungrounded effervescence or rephrase the herculean comment to read "herculean in as far as Hercules had a tranqiliser gun to deal with the Nemian Lion, hired a professional cleaning company to deal with the stables, and was airlifted in by helicopter to get access to the golden fleece" (perhaps I've mix up my myths there a little).

I thought Logos only had an earlier version version of the dictionary in it's arsenal of tools to tackle the text.
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Stephen Hughes wrote:...
What becomes of a sincere expression of gratitude when the thing one is grateful for, was in fact not so painstakingly undertaken as one had believed? Should I apologise for my ungrounded effervescence or rephrase the herculean comment to read "herculean in as far as Hercules had a tranqiliser gun to deal with the Nemian Lion, hired a professional cleaning company to deal with the stables, and was airlifted in by helicopter to get access to the golden fleece" (perhaps I've mix up my myths there a little)..
:D :D I had forgotten that Hercules was a shipmate of Jason on the Argo but my recollection is that Hercules' toy-boy was snatched away by nymphs and the tough guy didn't continue on the voyage to Phasis to fetch the fleece. Just don't try to fleece us with all that gold from the stable of Augeas! :D :D
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Stephen Hughes wrote:
cwconrad wrote:
Stephen Hughes wrote:Wow! Thanks for typing out such a long entry from the dictionary. Such an herculean feat!
As the commercial blurb goes, "You too can be a Hercules by using a simple clip and paste from Logos software, which will even automatically insert the reference a second time, when you add on a second section from the same LSJ entry."
What becomes of a sincere expression of gratitude when the thing one is grateful for, was in fact not so painstakingly undertaken as one had believed? Should I apologise for my ungrounded effervescence or rephrase the herculean comment to read "herculean in as far as Hercules had a tranqiliser gun to deal with the Nemian Lion, hired a professional cleaning company to deal with the stables, and was airlifted in by helicopter to get access to the golden fleece" (perhaps I've mix up my myths there a little).

I thought Logos only had an earlier version version of the dictionary in it's arsenal of tools to tackle the text.
No, we really thought you were being funny... In fact, Logos has the latest edition, BDAG, and has for years. It was the first thing I got when I decided to go the Logos route. I guarantee that if I was typing it would in no way or form resemble "Herculean!" :lol: :roll:
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