Hi, a simple question (I just have no idea in Greek, sorry!).
LXX translates the word "slaves" in Exodus 21:7 as hai doulai (female slaves). In original word in Hebrew says "slaves", which in Hebrew means primarily male slaves, but also male-and-female slaves (in Hebrew, if you use a plural masculine form it may reffer to masculine only, but also to both males and females). my question is: how does it work in Greek, is there a general term for slaves that you could use in order to express in one word "male-and-female slaves", which the translators could have used in order to translate the Hebrew "slaves (AVADIM)" (like the English: "slaves") or isn't there such a thing, and the translator had to chose between "hoi douloi" and "hai doulai"? (the verse speaks after all about the rules of a female slave).
Thank you,
Ruben
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Re: hoi douloi/hai doulai
Indeed. And the Greek word works pretty much the same way. The LXX and the Hebrew do not say the same thing.rubenk wrote: ↑February 11th, 2019, 4:31 am LXX translates the word "slaves" in Exodus 21:7 as hai doulai (female slaves). In original word in Hebrew says "slaves", which in Hebrew means primarily male slaves, but also male-and-female slaves (in Hebrew, if you use a plural masculine form it may reffer to masculine only, but also to both males and females).
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: hoi douloi/hai doulai
I'm sorry Jonathan, thanks for your reply but I need more clarification. (what doe's: "works the same way" reffer to). In short: would it be possible in Greek to use a general word (like the English "slaves") without indicating whether we speak about males or females? of must he "pick a side"?
Re: hoi douloi/hai doulai
The masculine is the common gender in Greek, so that δοῦλοι may be used of both male and female slaves. עֶבֶד is the common word in Hebrew with a fairly wide range of usage, and it appears to me could be used to cover both male and female slaves. HALOT shows how it is translated in the LXX:
עֶבֶד (800 times, Sept. 340 times παῖς, 310 times δοῦλος, 42 times θεράπων, for other renderings see vdPloeg VTSupp. 22 (1972):74f)
Koehler, L., Baumgartner, W., Richardson, M. E. J., & Stamm, J. J. (1994–2000). The Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon of the Old Testament (electronic ed., p. 774). Leiden: E.J. Brill.
עֶבֶד (800 times, Sept. 340 times παῖς, 310 times δοῦλος, 42 times θεράπων, for other renderings see vdPloeg VTSupp. 22 (1972):74f)
Koehler, L., Baumgartner, W., Richardson, M. E. J., & Stamm, J. J. (1994–2000). The Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon of the Old Testament (electronic ed., p. 774). Leiden: E.J. Brill.
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Re: hoi douloi/hai doulai
Barry explained what I meant quite well.
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Thank you very much! you've helped me alot!
Ruben
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