Re: [compost_tea] Re: flowforms

From: David Loring <dloring3_at_cox.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:07:44 -0700

The water vortex theories seem to have come from people watching falling wa=
ter and the coreolis effect which causes it to spin into a vortex due to th=
e rotation of the earth. Is that right?

Dave
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve Diver
  To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:43 AM
  Subject: [compost_tea] Re: flowforms


  Hi -

  A previous post found my "Vibrational Water" resource
  list on the National Water Center's web page.

  http://www.nationalwatercenter.org/vibrational_water.htm

  NWC is a grass-roots non-profit organization with
  volunteer staff. NWC has advocated ecological
  water treatment, rainwater harvesting, and water
  quality issues for over two decades (e.g., composting
  toilets, constructed wetlands, flow forms, permaculture,
  bioregional to international delivery, etc.)
  It is located in nearby Eureka Springs, AR, where
  I also volunteer my time to support bioregional
  water issues. NWC puts on a few workshop each year,
  publishes, and takes a Zen approach to web delivery
  and water themes as an alternative to activist
  burn-out typical of the 1970s and 80s era.

  The resource list is also on my farmstead home
  page, with a format you may find easier to read.

  Vibrational Water
  http://www.ipa.net/~steved/vibrational-water.html

  In the resource list you can access the books
  by Viktor Schauberger and Theodore Schwenk, you
  can see water quality images based on qualitative
  assessment techniques -- following energization
  treatments, etc.

  Perhaps that is sufficient. You can explore
  this topic yourself. Get the books "Living Water"
  by Olaf Alexandersson and "Living Energy" by
  Callum Coats for a fascinating in-depth review
  of Viktor Schauberger's work. John Wilkes, inventor
  of flow forms, drew inspiration from Theodore
  Schwenk's work.

  When you add up all the different concepts and practices
  with vibrational water, you can better understand why
  I suggest there is room for exploration integrating
  water quality treatments with compost teas in
  relation to the microbial environment in an aqueous
  solution.

  Can you share if your name is David Loring or
  Dave Sotilo 50... and what your farming and
  gardening involvement is, to get a quick idea
  what scale and cropping systems you're working with.

  Steve Diver
  Fayetteville, AR

  Agriculural specialist with ATTRA; gardener on
  quarter acre, 12 acre farmstead.


  P.S. There is an excellent book on Goethe, actually
  a collection of essays exploring his ideas on nature
  and phenomenology, with a chapter on John Wilkes and
  flow forms.

  Chap. 10. Flowforms and the Language of Water
  by Mark Riegner & John Wilkes
  In:
  Goethe's Way of Science: A Phenomenology of Nature
  David Seamon & Arthur Zajonc, Editors
  Albany, NY: State University of New York Press, 1998

  Excerpt from:

  Goethe, Nature, and Phenomenology (Introduction to Book)
  By David Seamon
  http://www.arch.ksu.edu/seamon/book%20chapters/goethe_intro.htm

  "In the last essay of Part II, Mark Riegner and sculptor
  John Wilkes present Wilkes' efforts to design what he
  calls Flowforms -- fountainlike vessels through which
  water flows in rhythmic motion. In creating Flowforms,
  Wilkes was greatly affected by the Goethean studies of
  water done by German hydrologist Theodor Schwenk, who
  concluded that the essence of water's movement is found
  in the tension between the linear tug of gravity and
  water's inherent tendency to draw itself into a sphere.
  Schwenk demonstrated that water reconciles this tension
  in three characteristic ways: the meander, the wave, and
  the vortex."

  "In his Flowform research, Wilkes asks how these essential
  patterns of water can be incorporated in built form so
  that humanmade channels and vessels can support and enhance
  the basic movements of water rather than force them into
  unnatural surroundings as, for example, in channelized
  rivers with straight banks that interfere with the need
  of water to meander. Instead of forcing water to do what
  we human beings want, why not help it to maintain its own
  natural patterns and move the best it can? Riegner and
  Wilkes demonstrate that this kind of thinking leads to
  designed environments that work better both ecologically
  and aesthetically."


  --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "David Loring" <dloring3_at_c...> wrote:
> Steve - I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say water
  can be energized, transformed and cleansed by water movement. I
  looked at the article you pointed to on water movement and a catalyst
  and followed it to the original article which stated that movement
  (they used a stirring movement in this case but it could just as
  easily have been a plunging motion) was capable of imparting energy to
  a straight forward catalytic system involving water and I think it was
  Cupric oxide.
>
> Please break down what you're referring to on transforming,
  energizing and cleansing of water.
>
> Dave Sotillo 50




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