Re: [compost_tea] Re: How many bugs per ml do you apply using center pivot irrigation

From: Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:32:04 -0800 (PST)

Let me answer at the questions below if I can, Bob

Sean Mallett <scanallnow_at_yahoo.com> wrote:From my experience, you will develop anerobic film if this is done. you will want to clean the tanks between brews. even if you are constantly brewing. j
for consideration. ...Sean - In the 500 and 1000g water in the brewers is traveling at the speed of a mountain stream and with as much air entrained. In the extractor the rush of air and rate of water travel is even higher. I have felt the inside and found no slippery film. I think in a system where a rather thick slippery film is formed there could be an anaerobic film. I will sure look carefully for such a film. I don't expect to find one. Haven't expected one so haven't looked closely. Have not seen anaerobic results in tests. But how would we find anaerobes in the tests? Good warning, will look for the problem, Sean

dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_yahoo.com> wrote:


--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "dkemnitz2000"
<dkemnitz2000_at_y...> wrote:
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> So BobO tell us more. Can you include some more actual figures and I can give figure of what we found in CACT cycle. Not here tonight. This is a big project so it doesn't happen easy. The benefits are so big it seems to be worth the effort to do some mega testing.
> are these proven in the field yet? Dennis
> I think not proven in regular use yet. I need a farmer, a pivot and lots of energy.
> Bob:See questions below.
>
>
> In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_y...> wrote:
> > Who me, worry about bugs per ml? Its bugs per acre, ( Are any of you old enough to remember the guy in MAD magazine whose line was Who? Me worry? )
                       
Bob: How many bugs per Acre and how many gallons per A.?Bugs are related to bugs per gallon x gallons per acre. Good ACT is supposed to be effective in situations from 5 to 50 GPA Say the target is 10 gpa. if you put that on with lots of water the dilution only helps it get to the soil. Will any stay on the leaves? Some,but when they add stuff to the pivot I suspect they expect it is a soil drench.

Ok how many gallons per acre? This is set by the operator. Lets try a theoretical 100 acre pivot that will run 12 Hours. You set the CACT 500 g system producing. You take 125 GPH. In 12 hours you generate 125 x12= 1500 g divided by 100 acres is 15 gpa. If you want more water and more ACT per acre you slow the pivot to run 24 hours. For the 100 acres or go back over the field twice in either case that would put down 30 g ACT per acre. If the pivot swings the field in 6 hours either you gotta produce more than 125 GPH or settle for 7.5 G ACT per acre. with 1000 g CACT system,250 GPH,you could get15 GPA in a 6hour swing

washed in
> with tons of water per acre.

BOB:How many tons of water? That depends on the irrigation flow rate. The guy running the pivot has all that stuff. I just dink around with the bugs.


  
> > with THE CACT cycle and brewer on a trailer our intent is to set
> the brewer at the pivot, Keep the brew going on a constant cycle.
> When that pivot has operated long enough

Bob: How long is that? When they's done the waterin. when the pivot has gone all the way - unless it starts rainin. Don't know what to do then. Rejoice?



the brewer moves to another
> pivot and keeps right on brewin. You don't shut down the brewin between pivots. probably for 7 to 10 days. IT takes a man on site to keep it
> going but the man just moves down the road to the next pivot. Probably 1 man can run more than one brewer.
Hauls
> all the compost needed and nutrients needed in his pick up. The
> same pick up that tows the trailer mounted brewer.
> >

Bob:Gotta take a tank of warm water too,eh? And a pump to move it
into the CACT unit? No. If The water used to irrigate is really cold,irrigation water is taken past the heat of the blower motor and or other source of heat that will raise the temp of say 55F water 20 degrees to 75 degrees. This at 125 gallons steady stream is not much heat. Remember the water is going into the tank at the same rate that it is coming out. Same water as is going out the irrigtion system, controlled by a float in the brewer.

> > NO NEED TO HAUL A TANK FULL OF TEA FROM THE BARN TO THE FIELD
> WHERE THAT MAY BE MILES AWAY. One man might tend several brewers
> in the field this way.
> >

Bob: I still have to know how many bugs per ml cause I gotta check Bugs per ML is what the normal SFI tests indicate. About the same as any brewing situation.

Like I said above normal good compost, good nutrients, normal brew is what we got. A feller auta dew a lotta testin of the combined compost, nutrients, water and CACT cycle with tests every hour. Then knowing what your rig will do you just apply the ACT in the usual way cept is a heap easier than like in the above example, hauling 3 500 gallon trailers loaded with ACT, 50 mile from the barn to the field. Them bugs is gonna vomit with seasick and run outa breath by the time they git there. Even if the idea is a bit new isn't it better, more likely to be a good product at less cost than haulin it in from the barn? We Know the CACT cycle works. Done that. Need to do more of it. We did it on small brewers to test the idea. Its hard to run experiments on 500 gallon jobbers taking 125 g per hour. gotta have a farmer able to take that much per hour and make some use of it. Got a way to do it there, Dennis?

What is going on with the 500 g units is the 500 is being stretched the whole way. That is the 500 g would be applied to the 100 acres at a rate that would match the time of the pivot. So the field gets 500 g divded by 100 acres = 5 GPA. Probably the best ACT at 5 is not as good as good ACT at 15 GPA? Your microscope examination of the ACT at intervals will help get the answers .
the tea to guarantee it(sell it)and validate the
experiment........................ Dennis Kemnitz thinking of
irrigating the Kaw river valley this season. I might find some Dennis I hope the Kaw river valley is a big one cuz this is gonna cover lots a acres. GRIN
takers. Load me up with some facts. schedules,savings,etc. Guess
I'll start making personal housecalls next weekend soon as I get the
chores done!

Hey how big is the Kaw river valley?



By the way your top line question, bugs per ml of the ACT is like any good ACT. By the time you mix em in the irrigation water I'll bet the water would rate PURE.!! So the measure is only the bugs per acre or the G ACT per acre. The irrigation system just applies the bugs. Oh yeah it waters the plants too.

I have a question for the irrigtion experts. Can you turn down the rate of watering if your have had rain so you can still put ACT on with the irrigation system but with less water? Bob




dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_y...> wrote:
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> > Can any of you experienced irrigation folks explain this
> > calculation? Dennis Kemnitz
> >
> >Hey, fun visit tonight, Dennis, Bob
> >I hope people who don't want to read this found the delete button
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