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Re: the electrolyzed water



Greetings Keishi Matsumura, 

Thank you for corresponding from Japan to the Sanet email group. The
electrolyzed water water treatment you summarized is fascinating. 

[Unfortunately my computer cannot send a message directly to 
your email address in Japan; it results in an error message; so I am 
unable to correspond directly and share any further details; 
Nevertheless this message is of general interest to Sanet]

First you described a water treatment that oxidizes or reduces water.
Then you talked about farmers using the oxidized water to treat fruits
and vegetables and thereby control bacterial and fungal diseases, thus
reducing the need for fungicides and pesticides. 

Amazing!   Here is a water-treatment technology that provides an
alternative to pesticides for the control of problem diseases in fruit
and vegetable production.  This certainly fits the category of a New
Generation Pest Management Tool.

Unfortunately I cannot point to any research of similar capacity here
in the United States since I do not think it exists.   If any other
Sanet reader can say anything about oxidation-reduction treatments for
water and its use in agriculture, please share. 

Mr. Matsumura, likewise, if you can point to any literature 
in English, any web pages, or any suppliers of these water treatment
units then please do share with Sanet once again.  Perhaps it will
spark interest amongst U.S. and European agricultural workers to look
into it further. 

*Can you say how the "reduced-water" is used in the healthy growing 
  of plants?  
*How are the different forms of water used to treat the
  agricultural crops?  
*What else is the Gohoku Institute of Agriculture doing in 
  sustainable agriculture that Sanet readers may find interesting? 

Interestingly, in Hugh Lovel's post of April 5th to Sanet he 
described the oxygen-rich characteristics of Sosei Water.  

See:
Re: Hugh Lovel's water-related Japan trip
http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail/html-home/43-html/0478.html

Having been away from Chemistry for too many years, a clear 
understanding of the differences between "oxidized-water" (as 
described by Mr. Matsumura) and "oxygen-rich" water (as described by
Mr. Lovel) alludes me at the moment. 

Though it does appear the two systems are zeroing in on 
oxygen-tweaked water.

However, Lovel also alluded to the anionic quality of Sosei Water in
in the same context of Dr. Carey Reams' Biological Theory of
Ionization.  

The RBTI theory suggests that plants live off the energy 
released by elements as they enter the plant from the soil and air,
not off the elements themselves "per se."  In other words Reams was
concerned with increasing the energy, or magnetism, of crops through
the use of specialized fertilizers. 

In support of this theory, Reams developed the anion-cation concept in
which anionic energy denotes the vegetative stage of plant growth and
cationic energy denotes the fruiting stage.  According to Reams'
concept of energy, calcium is instrumental in growth (anionic) energy
and manganese is instrumental in fruit (cationic) energy.  

HOWEVER, Reams use of these two terms differs from their common 
usage in soil chemistry, wherein an anion is a negatively charged ion
(NO3-1, PO4-3, SO4-2) and a cation is a positively charged ion (NH4+,
Ca+2, K+, Mg+2).  

In practical terms, Reams advocated specific soil and foliar 
fertility programs to enhance anionic (vegetative) and cationic 
(fruiting) stages of plant growth. 

Dr. Arden Anderson, an agriculture consultant who was a student of
Reams, correlates Reams' use of anionic-cationic to the following
terms or concepts:  

1) anionic=yang=male=expanding =vegetative
2) cationic=yin=female=compressing=fruiting 

SO, when Hugh Lovel talks about anionic properties of 
oxygen-rich in relation to Sosei Water, I wonder what he is really
talking about (i.e., negative ionic charge, or energetic quality?)

Hugh, if you are listening, perhaps you can spin another round of
theoretical and practical examples of Sosei Water and its use in
agriculture, especially since your research institute is the only
location in the U.S. that can speak authoritatively from first-hand
experience....  at this time.  Have you seen results in pest
management and enhanced plant growth that support the assertions from
Mr. Matsumura's Gohoku Institute of Agriculture?

The thing that intrigues me about Keishi Matsumura's post on 
electrolyzed water is that oxidized water makes good sense as a 
fungal and bacterial controlling mechanism.  

Many of these pathogens are surface-dwelling organisms on fruits and
vegetables.  If you can disrupt their membranes, throw off their
ability to attach to the cuticle layer, or otherwise trip them out
with oxidized water, it apparently results in an eco-friendly pest
management tool for the farmer.  

In fact, it would be a welcome addition to on-farm disease 
suppression techniques such as hydrogen peroxide, compost teas, 
herbal teas, biodynamic sprays, etc.

One of the reasons I am coming back to this topic is the following
item I came across at the Food & Fertilizer Technology Center website.

The following excerpt on electrolysed water is a newsletter item from
the Food & Fertilizer Technology Center in Tawian.  It sounds very
similar to what Keishi Matsumura describes; i.e., electrolyzed water
and its use in agriculture.

Electrolysed Water 
Food & Fertilizer Technology Center
http://www.agnet.org/library/abstract/nc127c.html

ELECTROLYSED WATER
        There is a growing interest in special kinds of treated water
        with properties which differ from those of ordinary water.
        Electrolysed water is an example. Salty water is placed in a
        electrolytic tank divided into two by a diaphram. A weak
        electric current is passed through the water, between the
        cathode on one side of the diaphram and the electrode on the
        other. 

        The cathode water can be used to restore the quality of rice
        or soybean that has been stored too long and has deteriorated
        slightly. There have been reports that it prolongs the life of
        cut flowers, promotes the growth of plants and improves the
        health of livestock who use it as drinking water. 

        The anode water has strong bactericidal activity, and is being
        put to various kinds of medical use. Agricultural uses are
        also being studied. It is seen as a possible control of plant
        pathogens. Some studies suggest that spraying crops with anode
        water may help prevent disease. Another potential use being
        studied is the disinfection of rice seeds. 

Incidentally, the Food & Fertilizer Technology Center, 
[An international information center for small-scale farmers 
in the Asia Pacific Region] is a great source of information on
sustainable agriculture, organic farming, composts, microbial 
inoculants, animal husbandry, crop cultivation, organic wastes, 
nutrient management, etc.

Food & Fertilizer Technology Center
http://www.agnet.org/

Especially see:

Extension Bulletins -- Food & Fertilizer Technology Center      
http://www.agnet.org/library/list/pub/eb.html

Steve Diver 
Fayetteville, Arkansas 

> From:          "Keishi Matsumura" <64-gohoku@wide.net-kochi.gr.jp>
> To:            "SANET-MG" <sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu> Subject:       the
> electrolyzed water Date:          Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:06:33 +0900

> Dear Hugh Lovel and Steve Diver, and sanetters,
> 
> Thank you, Hugh and Steve, for your kind advice about electrolyzed
> water. I am sorry I did not contribute soon. I am afraid those water
> would be different from electrolyzed water we are applying. As for
> the water we are using, the salt water of infinite dilution is
> electrolyzed to get two kinds of water, the strongly oxidized water
> and the strongly reduced water. The oxidized water has strong
> sterilizing power useful for medical use resulting reducing
> chemicals. About 10,000-20,000 dollars costs to set the water making
> system. In Kochi prefecture, we live, there are some farmers
> applying the water to some vegetables and fruits, strawberry, melon,
> egg apple, sweet pepper, and so on. Actually some farmers succeed in
> cultivation without fungicide and pesticide by using the water. It
> is said that the strongly oxidized water has effect on many fungal
> and bacterial disease, powdery mildew, bacterial blight and so on.
> On the other hand, it is said that the water dose not have effect
> directly on some harmful insects very much, but we can apply
> pesticide to vegetables and fruits with lower level concentration by
> using the water. It is also said that the strongly reduced water has
> effect on healthy growing of plants. Applying the water to
> vegetables and fruits needs some important care. As the electrolyzed
> water return to plain water soon after application, the water has no
> harm to humans and animals. This electrolyzed water application
> system has mainly emphasized practical aspect between farmers and
> some manufacturers. So, we think it is very important to
> statistically evaluate the effect on controlling plant disease and
> harmful insects in the sustainable agriculture project we try. If
> there are any examples similar to this application in your area,
> please tell us.
> 
> Thanks.
> Jun.1.2000
> Keishi Matsumura
> GOHOKU INSTITUTE OF AGICULTURE
> 781-2492 Kamiyakawa Kou
> Agawa, Gohoku, Kochi, Japan

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