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Re: Pc slammed in Whole Earth Review
- To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: Pc slammed in Whole Earth Review
- From: Allan Balliett <igg@igg.com>
- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:31:57 -0500
- In-reply-to: <LISTMANAGER-139226-38447-2002.01.05-15.08.54--igg#igg.com@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Newsgroups: permaculture
- References: <LISTMANAGER-139226-38447-2002.01.05-15.08.54--igg#igg.com@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Whole Earth took a stand against homeopathy a few years back,
pronouncing as being so intrinsicly foolish in concept that no
testing to refute it is actually necessary. I don't think that hurt
homeopathy one iota.
Who that matters doesn't see HortIdeas for what it really is
(SHALLOW/UNIMAGINATIVE/SELFISH).
Let's not spend our energy trying to be more like these people.
-Allan
>
>The problem is, it's hard to find data to refute his claims (I did
>my best, but to an insider, there may be a faint whiff of the
>barnyard about some of my reply). We just don't collect data. What
>do we answer when a farmer asks, "How much more money or produce, or
>less erosion, will your system get me?" That we just know it works
>better? Does anyone have any numbers? I've looked at a lot of Pc
>sites in North America, and I haven't seen one where people are
>measuring yields.
>
>So are we justified in saying that this stuff works? Or is
>permaculture just for those, as Williams says, "who do not require
>optimal solutions to pressing agricultural and ecological problems"?
>
>If anyone's got any hard numbers, or other reputable data, please
>share them. If not, it points to a huge lack in permaculture, and we
>should get busy setting up trials and getting reliable data instead
>of just banking on Bill's wild claims. Without data, more folks like
>Williams will erode permaculture's credibility.
>
>I've also had inquiries from a researcher who wants yield data from
>permaculture farms for a thesis. If anyone has these, let me know.
>
>Toby
>_____________________________________________
>For a look at my new book on ecological gardening,
>Gaia's Garden: A Guide to Home-Scale Permaculture, visit
>http://www.chelseagreen.com/Garden/GaiasGarden.htm
>
>
>
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