Re: plants DB - indigenious

["georg parlow" <georg@websuxxess.com>]

> Elisabet Sahtouris, biologist, is gnawing away at the likes of
> Diamond's mindset eg
> http://www.ratical.org/LifeWeb/Articles/capetown.html.

honestly i do not see remarkable difference between my approach and the one
of sahtouris - and as far as i grok jared diamond ist coming from a
comparable angle. when i called his approach in the book "scinetific and as
unbiased as can be" i was trying to indicate, that 1. he knows how to play
it and explain it in a way that is acceptable for the leftbrained guys as
well, and 2. that he does not allow his heart to cloud his brain - this is
no indicvator that he has a lot of heart on the correct spot. have you read
the book? if yes, do you object my observation?

> > so i am afraid the attitude you can observe in todays indiginous
> > people is simply a result of the fact, that at present they are the
> > dominated (read: raped, killed, exploited, colonized, dislocated,
> > etc.etc.) ones, and not the other way around as in: they are dominated
> > because they are so non-dominating.
>
> There is contrary information. In another thread, I recently gave
> references to Riane Eisler's and Alfie Kohn's stuff - take a read at:
> http://www.ru.org/71eisler.htm
> http://www.partnershipway.org

i couldnt find fundamentally "contrary info" - eisler herself sais "There
are dominator elements in every country," - and according to historic
circumstance it is either the dom or the coop mode that reflects the "main
stream" of any given people in any given historical period. but maybe i have
overread something?

> http://www.alfiekohn.org
> http://www.alfiekohn.org/books/nc.htm

great stuff, i teach and have taught this attitude myself, and fairly
successfully tryed to deal with my kids that way (even tho the mothers of my
kids didnt always approve ;o), but my eldest surely did, as he recently told
me, now being 20) - but i do not see the direct connection to the subject at
discussion?



> Usury is the driving force of colonialism, a highly parasitic and
> materialistc affliction on humanity;

if this would be so, i wonder what motivated the inka, the aztec, or the
bantu into setting up huge colonial empires, enslaving or extincting a
multitude of different languagegoups - as far as i know they didnt even have
money. but having lectured against usury myself several years ago, i know
how easy it is to see it as the root of all evil.


> > i myself found this even harder to stomach than the cultural baggage -
> > it is the baggage of our species.
>
> Cheer up! Sarkar's "Law of Social Cycles" paints a more optimistic
> possibility in my eyes. I don't have any web references.

:o) thanks, i am a cheerful person. but i didnt talk about possibilities,
but about baggage - past, to_be_worked_on, etc. still the title intrigues
me. i will see what i can find here in a german-dominated country.

georg