RE: A question on life birds

["Tomm Lorenzin" <skytomm@1000plus.com>]

Up until a few years ago at Tybee Island, SC, the only Gannett I had
observed was a dead wash-ashore at Holden Beach, NC, shortly after the Great
Storm of '93.  Since the bird was wild (not captive), and in a natural state
(dead), I counted it as a lifer.  Was I wrong to do so?

7;^)
Cheers!
Tomm "big tyke" Lorenzin
Mooresville (Lake Norman), NC

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: carolinabirds-owner@acpub.duke.edu 
> [mailto:carolinabirds-owner@acpub.duke.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Helmut Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 09:52
> To: Gibeau, Stu; KCat504@aol.com; carolinabirds@duke.edu
> Subject: Re: A question on life birds
> 
> 
> I have not been a lister since I was a callow youth but I am 
> curious..if you trap a bird, band it & release it..does it count?
> 
> -- Helmut C Mueller
> 
> 409 Moonridge Road
> Chapel Hill, NC 27516
> Phone: 919-942-4937
> 
> Permanent email address: hmueller@email.unc.edu
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> 
> > From: "Gibeau,  Stu" <Stu.Gibeau@afccc.af.mil>
> > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:06:43 -0500
> > To: KCat504@aol.com, carolinabirds@duke.edu
> > Subject: RE: A question on life birds
> > 
> > It's your list but I go by the ABA guidelines; "Birds 
> counted must be 
> > alive, wild, and unrestrained. ...  Injured birds may be counted if 
> > wild and unrestrained."  Based on this I would say if you saw it's 
> > last gasp it counts. Also, I've seen pheasant here in the Asheville 
> > area, although in the wild and unrestrained I would hardly 
> consider it 
> > wild.  I didn't count it, but I did make a foot note.  
> Interestingly 
> > bird eggs don't count either. Although I've only seen a handful of 
> > eggs in the wild.  I've always seen the brood parent.  I generally 
> > stay away from nests once I'm aware of them. Don't want to 
> stress Mom 
> > & Dad any!
> > 
> > Stu Gibeau
> > Black Mountain, NC
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: KCat504@aol.com [mailto:KCat504@aol.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:45 AM
> > To: carolinabirds@duke.edu
> > Subject: A question on life birds
> > 
> > 
> > A discussion came up on a birding forum I belong to and 
> none of us had 
> > a definitive answer on the subject and was wondering what 
> the general 
> > consensus would be about finding a dead bird in the wild.  
> If one had 
> > never seen this bird before, could you count it as a life 
> bird? It is 
> > understood amongst all that the bird should be left "as is" 
> and where 
> > it is, but, can it be counted as a bird for your life list? 
>  Thanks KC 
> > Foggin Myrtle Beach
> 
>