SrimathE Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Nama:
SrimathE Sundara Sowmyanarayanaya Mahadesikaya Nama:
SrimathE Ramanujaya Mahadesikaya Nama:
SrimathE Sowmyanarayana Mahadesikaya Nama:
SrI:
Sri Venkata Ramani had asked a doubt regarding my previous email on chanting
rudram. Adiyen requested asmad acharyan, U. Ve SowyaNarayanachariar swami -
maruman and sishya of Sri ghostipuram Ramanujacharya swami, to kindly clarify
this. He merely out of his "nirhEtuka krupa" beautifully elucidated the subject
in question without minding me disturbing him late in the night! This kaarunyam
is swaroopa niroopaka dharmam of all our srivaishanava sadacharyas!!! Adiyen
shall try the best to translate asmad acharyan's words in English.
As I had mentioned in my previous email, none among the thraivarnikas can
refrain from chanting veda bhagams, be it a prapanna or non-prapanna, just
because it has SEEMINGLY devathaantra namas. Sri-Visishta- Narayana is the
only Veda- ArAdhya devathai. All others like Brahma, Siva, myself, yourself
and others are EQUALLY irrelevant when it is the question of Vedic worship.
All namas represent Him only. When the Nithya and Naimithikka Karma mantras are
chanted one should understand that it is only sriman narayana who is being
praised. So it does not endanger "Svanishta" of a prapanna by any means.
A prapanna is not supposed to have any sort of association with devathantra
under situations not related to Nithya and Naimithikka karmas like
sandhayavandanam and tharpanams. Swami desikan asserts this with the strength
of the following pramana from "Sandilya smrithi" mentioned in "Charamasloka
adhikaram" of Srimad Saram.
Budhha-Rudraadi vasatim smaSAnam savamEva cha |
atavIm rAjadhAnim cha dhoorata: parivarjayEth || ( PRAMANA A)
Meaning : Refrain yourself completely ( parivarjayEth) from the place where
bhuddha and rudra resides, graveyard, dead bodies, dreadful forests and
capital of a country.
Here Buddhaa, though a vishnu avathara, has to be discarded because of his
"Mohana saastra pravachanam" to disuade the aasura prakruthis who do apacharams
to his bhaktas. Rudra also did "Mohana saastra pravachanam" to disuade the
people who committed apacharam to Goutama maharishi. Also he lacks
Subhaasrayatvam and will only plunge us deep into samsaric whirlpool !!( there
are pramanas for this too, which I shall not quote here for brevity).
When saastras say that we should keep away from shiva temples by "dandaappUpa
Nyayam" it also applies to the names by which he is addressed.
In my previous email I had mentioned that a prapanna does not say " siva rudra"
while he sits instead of madhava, madhu soodhana. As there are spasta
vachanams that prescribes the namas to be chanted while performing various
actions. While going out of one's gruham " Kesavan " is to be meditated. While
partaking prasadam - Govinda nama. While going to "yoga nithrai" a prapanna
meditates on Madhavan and while getting up chants "hari " nama 7 times ( the
no. of times is also mentioned ). Both hari and madhava are Sriman Narayana's
nama only but a srivaishnava never chants hari nama instead of madhava while
going to yoga nithrai. For example, in Munitraya sampradaya pravartakar
Gopaladesikan's aahinkam it is mentioned " madhava sabdEna bhagavantam
keertayan ... tamEva hrudi dhyaayan sukena sayitha" and while getting up "
brahma moorthe samprApthE nidrAm parityajya, saptakrutvO harisabdam
keerthayan...". So when there is spasta vachanam to chant the particular nama
one does not take
recourse to " yukti" and chant inappropriate namas. This is asserted by swami
desikan, in his Sri chatusloki bhashyam, as "vachana virOdhE
nyAyasyAnavakAsAth" that is when there is spasta vachanam to chant a
particular nama he does not bring in Jaimini and a whole lot of nyayas and
chant rudra or any other nama. Micheal jackson is also Sriman Narayana's
thirunamam according to jaimini but no one does deva rishi pithru tharpanam
employing this name!
So a prapanna is not bothered about all these. He strictly goes according to
saastras. saastraas say you have to perform all naimitha karmas and all these
karmas are nothing but aradhana of emperuman, so he performs them. At the same
time the pramana A quoted above, forbids him to have devantara sambandam so he
relates this pramana to situations other than Nithya Naimithikka karmas so as
not to discard any pramana. It is Sri Bhagavad Ramanuja sampradaya to avoid
discarding a saatvika pramana against another saatvika pramana and give
consistent explanation for both of them.
Also for anyone be it prapanna or a non-prapanna "sishtaachaaram" ( that is
anushtanam of poorvikaas) is more important than vedas itself. Thats why
Apastamba maharishi said " dharmasya samaya pradhanam vedaas cha". Andal
beautifully said " saiyaadana chaiyOm". i.e. we won't do something that our
poorvikaas avoided, even if it hailed as a superior dharma by vedas. We know
that Ramakrishna and venkataramani are undoubtedly sriman narayana's nama but
do we find a Sri sampraya vaishnava having that nama? NO! because it is not in
our sishtaacharam! In sishtaacharam we never saw an sadaacharyan chanting rudra
nama during a nama sankeertana. If our sishtacharam prescribes one nama for a
particular thing one obeys it!! That is the greatness. The profit is you won't
be misled if you follow the footsteps of our great sath sampradaya poorvikaas!!
These days there is too much of clamouring about devathantra sambandam in the
egroup. There can't be a worse apacharam than to ask a prapanna why he avoids
devatantra sambandam. It is like arguing against a pathivrathai regarding her
pathni sambandam only with her pathy. It will only insult them! But this email
by Sri Rajaram Venkataramani, I can understand is rather academic and
inquisitive aimed at clarifying one's own doubts.
Whatever correct thing written above undoubtedly can only be attributed to
asmad acharyan who taught me all this in detail and whom I love more than mere
respect!! The mistakes are only mine.
AcharyALum BhagavthALum KatAkshikkavEnum.
AdiyEn,
PAdhukAdAsan
Aravindalochanadaasanudasan
Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sri Aravind, It is an intelligent post. You said :
then why does not a prapanna chant those names in circumstances other than
vedic or nithyakarmas ? This is forbidden by Swami desikan with the strength of
pramanas. Unless there is a situation like vedic chanting/ nithya karma like
sandhyavandanam, a prapanna does not employ those namas! for example while
sitting down instead of " madhava madhusoodana " he does not say " Rudra siva "
:))
1) If rudra, siva are names of vishnu only as it is in vedas, sahasranama etc.,
why does a prapanna not say that ?
2) What are the pramanas quoted by Swami Desikan ?
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