John 10:10b understanding the clauses

[Jonathan Robie]

" Why wouldn't it be an adverb, modifying the verb παρἐχει?"

What would παρεχω in that case mean?

Perhaps:

Διόδωρος δὲ παρέχει περισσὸν τοῦ ἀντιλέγειν
Diodoros persists in slandering all the more

παρέχω in the sense of bringing forth or offering the slander. I don't understand Mayser's translation (tut ein Übriges) here, it's not a phrase in my active German vocabulary, it seems to mean "did the rest".

[Jonathan Robie]

Small typo: I suppose ἐχάστην should be spelled ἑκάστην (?)

Yes.

[Jean Putmans]

Jonathan Robie
"Mayser's translation (tut ein Übriges)"

This means: "Diodoros does something extra"
Montanari has this παρεχω-meaning as [C}, his examples all have an Acc.Obj. (eventually with a final (arthrous) Infinitive)

I would translate the Greek expression with:
"Diodoros does something extra, he will contradict"

[Jonathan Robie]

FWIW, when I saw a post called "understanding the clauses" from a few days after Christmas, I wondered if it was going to be about these people.

[Barry Hofstetter]

Mayser did research on the Greek Papyri in Egypt.
The text he quotes is a Letter of a Maron to a Zenon.

So he's looking at this:

Διόδωρος δὲ παρέχει περισσὸν τοῦ ἀντιλέγειν καθ᾽ ἐχάστην ἡμέραν

Mayser says περισσὸν functions as a noun here?

The text of this may be found here, for those of us who have trouble reading that photograph. This reminds me of when I was posting the "Papyrus of the Week..."

https://papyri.info/ddbdp/psi;5;500

Μάρων Ζήνωνι χαίρειν. εἲ ἔρρωσαι καὶ τὰ λοιπά σοι κατὰ γνώμην ἐστίν,
εἴη ἂν ὡς ἐγὼ θέλω· ὑγίαινον δὲ καὶ αὐτός. γράφει μοι Ἀπολλώνιος ἐν τῶι ὑπομνήματι
τὴν οἰκοδομίαν εἶναι πρὸς Διόδωρον, τὰ δὲ κατὰ τὴν γῆν πρὸς τοὺς περὶ Δᾶμιν. ἡ μὲν οὖν
οἰκοδομία οὔπω συντελεῖται, ἀλλὰ ἡ τοῦ σίτου εἰσαγωγὴ καὶ ξυλοκοπία καὶ σησαμεῖαι
5καὶ ἐμπυρισμὸ\ς/(*) καὶ κίκιος φυτεία. ταῦτα δὲ πάντα ἀνηλίσκεται(*) διὰ Δάμιδος καὶ Ἐτεάρχου
καὶ Σωστράτου τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτῶν, καὶ σφραγίζονται(*) τὸ καθʼ ἡμέραν ἀνήλωμα·
Διόδωρος δὲ \ἐνκόμματα ποιεῖ τοῦ μὴ συντελεῖσθαι τὰ ἔργα/ ⟦δε παρεχει περισσον του αντιλεγειν καθ εκαστην ημεραν⟧ οὐθὲν δὲ ἧσσον
καὶ τὸ ἀνήλωμα ἀπογράφεται τὸ καθʼ ἡμέραν. τὰ δὲ λοιπὰ τὰ ἐνταῦθα ἀπαγγελεῖ σοι
Ἰάσων καὶ αὐτὸς Πανακέστωρ, ὡς ἂν ὑγιαίνων παραγένηι.
10ἔρρωσο. (ἔτους) κθ, Παχὼνς ιδ.

[Stephen Carlson]

Really, neuter accusatives as adverbs and supplying something from context is so common in ancient Greek that no other explanation needs to be invented.

Agreed, and it’s why I’m having a hard time seeing the payoff of the alleged alternative.

[Barry Hofstetter]

Διόδωρος δὲ \ἐνκόμματα ποιεῖ τοῦ μὴ συντελεῖσθαι τὰ ἔργα/ ⟦δε παρεχει περισσον του αντιλεγειν καθ εκαστην ημεραν⟧

Here is a nice image of the original papyrus:

http://www.psi-online.it/images/orig/PS ... 00%20r.jpg

The [[ ]] sigla indicates that the text was marked out and the text in the sigla was written above the line as you can clearly see in the image.

"Diodorus kept the works from being completed and continues to offer denials on a daily basis." I would read πέρισον as adverbial here.

[Jean Putmans]

Barry,

isn't your Translation mixing the scratched and the replaced text?

I read this Papyrus:

(corrected text:)
Διόδωρος δὲ \ἐνκόμματα ποιεῖ τοῦ μὴ συντελεῖσθαι τὰ ἔργα/
Diodorus kept the works from being completed

replaces:

(Original text:)
Διόδωρος δὲ παρεχει περισσον του αντιλεγειν καθ εκαστην ημεραν
Diodorus continues to offer denials on a daily basis

Questions:
Why "kept" instaed of "keeps"?
Why "continues to offer" : I suppose "to offer" < παρεχει; "continues" < περισσον (???)

[Barry Hofstetter]

Barry,

isn't your Translation mixing the scratched and the replaced text

I was supplying the translation for both but failed to includ a / or other punctuation to show the distinction. Sorry for not being clearer. It's a first cup of coffee not complete issue...

I read this Papyrus:

(corrected text:)
Διόδωρος δὲ \ἐνκόμματα ποιεῖ τοῦ μὴ συντελεῖσθαι τὰ ἔργα/
Diodorus kept the works from being completed

replaces:

(Original text:)
Διόδωρος δὲ παρεχει περισσον του αντιλεγειν καθ εκαστην ημεραν
Diodorus continues to offer denials on a daily basis

Questions:
Why "kept" instaed of "keeps"?
Why "continues to offer" : I suppose "to offer" < παρεχει; "continues" < περισσον (???)

Well, I could justify it be saying that it is contextual based on the previous statements, but it was actually just carelessness on my part. "Continues to offer" is a paraphrase of παρέχει πέρισον.

Any way, I just thought I would provide more on the actual papyrus itself, since I think papyri are cool and it's fun to see the original images and so forth. As for the actual issue raised, I've said enough.

[Jean Putmans]

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.