Peter Streitenberger wrote:An German equivalent to "I'm just kidding" would be: "Ich mache nur/halt/mal Spaß". In my Impression "just" is the functional equivalent to these German particles making a referent or Action less prominent.
[*] 2821. γέ (postpositive and enclitic) is an intensive and restrictive particle with the force of at least, at any rate, even, certainly, indeed; but often to be rendered by intonation. γέ may indicate assent, concession, banter, scorn, deprecation, irony, etc. γέ emphasizes single words or whole phrases or clauses.
As the examples above have shown, the particle can be stringently considered in terms of function rather than meaning. It provides particular focus in utterances where such is needed, and thus structures and links related elements of speech.
Peter Streitenberger wrote:David, you make a good point, by bringing MONON into our discussion. I've thought on this word as well. But I can't interpret it properly. Does the writer want to express, that he is stating just/only this and no more or does he intend to de-focus the Information? This seems not to be the same intention, let's say: "I want to say just this". "This" can then be prominent and the only point adressed.
Peter Streitenberger wrote:Perfectly right ! I put it in a wrong semantic category ! "Eben" makes Information more prominent, if I can describe it properly.
Thinking about this further, I am not sure that 'halt' defocuses either. Can you give me an example of a sentence using 'eben', where replacing 'eben' with 'halt' changes it from focused to defocused?
Ich bin eben skeptisch.
Ich bin halt skeptisch.
To my non-native ears, it feels like you can often (usually?) replace 'eben' with 'halt', it makes it less formal and maybe a little less in-your-face, but does not greatly change the meaning. Or am I just wrong on this?
Stephen Carlson wrote:Two examples from Luke listed in BDAG are:Luke 11:8 wrote:λέγω ὑμῖν, εἰ καὶ οὐ δώσει αὐτῷ ἀναστὰς διὰ τὸ εἶναι φίλον αὐτοῦ, διά γε τὴν ἀναίδειαν αὐτοῦ ἐγερθεὶς δώσει αὐτῷ ὅσων χρῄζει.Luke 18:5 wrote:διά γε τὸ παρέχειν μοι κόπον τὴν χήραν ταύτην ἐκδικήσω αὐτήν, ἵνα μὴ εἰς τέλος ἐρχομένη ὑπωπιάζῃ με.
Peter Streitenberger wrote:But observing the usage of this particle and reading some research papers on it, I can say, that "halt" is downshifting the following Information and makes it less prominent. "Ich bin eben skeptisch" is a counter example to the sentence with "halt". "Eben" focuses on the Attribute of being sceptical. "Halt" makes it the opposite. "It's just the case that I'm a bit sceptical, but not very much.". A Speaker wants to downgrade the importance of the Attribute of being sceptical. "It's not so important that I'm sceptical".
Peter Streitenberger wrote:Dear friends,
ok so far, but how would Koine-Greek speakers or writers express sentences like these:
"I'm just kidding - it's not serious".
"It's just a promoter on the phone - not an important person"
Would GE in each cases do it ?
RandallButh wrote:Perhaps in the latter case:
πωλητήρ γε ἐτελεφώνει--οὐδὲν ἀξιόλογον
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