Pronouncing Carl Bache's Name

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Pronouncing Carl Bache's Name

Post by cwconrad » November 26th, 2013, 8:31 am

Stephen Carlson wrote:Nobody knows how to pronounce Carl Bache's name.
Well, it's important to get this one right: don't botch it! ;)
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by RandallButh » November 26th, 2013, 11:10 am

So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.

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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by cwconrad » November 26th, 2013, 12:48 pm

RandallButh wrote:So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
"Choice implies meaning"? :D
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by MAubrey » November 26th, 2013, 5:58 pm

cwconrad wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:Nobody knows how to pronounce Carl Bache's name.
Well, it's important to get this one right: don't botch it! ;)
GROAN...
:D
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by Stephen Carlson » November 27th, 2013, 8:00 am

RandallButh wrote:So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
Close. I would thought that native (though not foreign) <ch> is equivalent to <ck> (or <k> at the beginning of words) in Scandinavian orthography, but that's just as a guess based on Swedish. But Danish could always be different. So I'm among those who don't really know, but "baytch" and "baysh" just seem to be wrong.
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by cwconrad » November 27th, 2013, 8:43 am

Stephen Carlson wrote:
RandallButh wrote:So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
Close. I would thought that native (though not foreign) <ch> is equivalent to <ck> (or <k> at the beginning of words) in Scandinavian orthography, but that's just as a guess based on Swedish. But Danish could always be different. So I'm among those who don't really know, but "baytch" and "baysh" just seem to be wrong.
Since we're really guessing, I suppose we can rule out "Boche", the French derogatory term for Germans. If it's Dutch, my guess is that Randall was right after all (surprise, surprise!) and that the Koine pronunciation of Βάκχαι is about right. The "e" is surely not silent.
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by Stephen Carlson » November 27th, 2013, 8:59 am

He is a Dane, though I suppose some could have a Dutch name.
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by cwconrad » November 27th, 2013, 10:01 am

Sorry about that -- I did mean Danish -- comes from knowing a little Dutch and no Danish (other than the pastry, that is, and Hamlet).
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by Iver Larsen » November 28th, 2013, 10:00 am

Stephen Carlson wrote:He is a Dane, though I suppose some could have a Dutch name.
As a Dane, I would say that the name is not originally Danish, since we do not have ch in our language except in loan words. However, the Danish pronunciation would be close to if you say "bar keg" and delete the final consonant. The Danish spelling of Carl is Karl. Now you know a bit more Danish, Carl :)

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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect

Post by cwconrad » November 28th, 2013, 10:21 am

Iver Larsen wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:He is a Dane, though I suppose some could have a Dutch name.
As a Dane, I would say that the name is not originally Danish, since we do not have ch in our language except in loan words. However, the Danish pronunciation would be close to if you say "bar keg" and delete the final consonant. The Danish spelling of Carl is Karl. Now you know a bit more Danish, Carl :)
Well, in that respect, Danish doesn't differ from German. My Urgroßvater came over from Germany to the U.S. after the failed revolution of 1848, changing his name from Karl to Charles; my father went back to the original spelling, and I got my father's name and spelling. My puzzlement with Danish and Swedish has been with all the extra diacritical marks on the vowels.
I guess the subject has had a little seismic shift from the Greek Perfect to the Scandinavian less-than-perfect. :D
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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