Confused about Text Types. Please Help

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Rob Campanaro
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Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Rob Campanaro » March 9th, 2020, 3:13 pm

I understand Codex Sinaiticus (א) is recognized as belonging to the Alexandrian text type. But I also hear it referred to as Western. For instance, in an article by David Kim in regards to John 1:18, Kim states:

"The combination of primary Alexandrian witnesses and a Western text-type (א) can establish (R4) as a superior reading over (R3)."

If I had to guess, what Kim seems to be saying is that Sinaiticus, although Alexandrian, contains a Western reading at John 1:18. If I'm right, then could א be cited as a Western witness to the reading θεος in John 1:18? If I'm wrong, can someone please correct me?

Thanks so much!

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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » March 9th, 2020, 3:22 pm

Codex Sinaiticus is considered to be Western in the first eight chapters of John.
I found this in wikopedia. A dubious source.
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Rob Campanaro » March 9th, 2020, 3:33 pm

Stirling Bartholomew wrote:
March 9th, 2020, 3:22 pm
Codex Sinaiticus is considered to be Western in the first eight chapters of John.
I found this in wikopedia. A dubious source.
Although dubious, it does appear to be corroborated by more credible sources. That's why I'm trying to confirm my current understanding.

Much appreciated!
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » March 9th, 2020, 3:48 pm

I have given away my copy of Metzger.
Here is blog post that you might find useful.

The puzzling case of Codex Sinaiticus in John 1-8
https://peterlorenz.me/2016/06/10/sinaiticus-in-john/
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Stephen Carlson » March 9th, 2020, 6:06 pm

Yeah, Sinaiticus is block-mixed Western and Alexandrian in John. Text-types are on the way out in textual criticism, however, so this is a bit like asking about the properties of phlogiston.
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Rob Campanaro » March 10th, 2020, 8:25 am

Thanks for all the help, guys. It's all clear to me now!

Regards,
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Rob Campanaro » March 10th, 2020, 2:05 pm

I actually had one additional question; until Text-types are finally disregarded, would it be proper to cite א as a Western reading for John 1:18?
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Barry Hofstetter » March 10th, 2020, 3:58 pm

Rob Campanaro wrote:
March 10th, 2020, 2:05 pm
I actually had one additional question; until Text-types are finally disregarded, would it be proper to cite א as a Western reading for John 1:18?
I'll let somebody answer this if they are of a mind to do so, but just a reminder that text criticism per se is not the purpose of B-Greek discussions, but only so far as a particular text critical issue might affect our understanding of the Greek of a particular text.
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Rob Campanaro » March 10th, 2020, 4:11 pm

My apologies. I'll retract the question. Would the "other" section of the forum be appropriate or is that outside scope of B-Greek as well?
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Re: Confused about Text Types. Please Help

Post by Stephen Carlson » March 10th, 2020, 9:31 pm

Rob Campanaro wrote:
March 10th, 2020, 2:05 pm
I actually had one additional question; until Text-types are finally disregarded, would it be proper to cite א as a Western reading for John 1:18?
"Proper to cite" is a weird question: you should be asking your teacher.
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