Default word order in Greek

Default word order in Greek

Postby Peter Streitenberger » July 27th, 2012, 5:01 am

Dear Friends of Greek,

is there a consensus that the Default word order in Greek is verb-subject-object (direct-indirect) ?
This question is important - I think - because all deviation from that order would indicate a special meaning (e.g. emphasis).
Thank you for any comments
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby Stephen Carlson » July 27th, 2012, 8:39 am

Don't know about a "consensus," but that's what Stephen Levinsohn basically claims in his book, Discourse Features of New Testament Greek.
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby Peter Streitenberger » July 27th, 2012, 9:04 am

And I think Steve Runge has accepted this view as well.
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby Stephen Carlson » July 27th, 2012, 11:05 am

I think that's right, but Steve could comment if he's not too busy.

My view is that Greek is an non-configurational language, so its word order relating to the verb and its arguments is not syntactic but pragmatic. So, it makes more more sense for me to talk about pragmatically unmarked word orders, and sentences with explicit subjects are not pragmatically unmarked. In other words, I'd say that the unmarked word order is V-O, with a zero-anaphora (or implicit) subject.
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby RandallButh » July 28th, 2012, 1:27 am

Yes, the underlying word order is V-S-O which is also the conclusion of Helma Dik in her works.

that being said, there is a lot of front positioning in Greek for many reasons and many resulting SOV examples.
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby Peter Streitenberger » July 28th, 2012, 8:50 am

Yes, that's my impression as well. If one doesn't accept a default word order, it's not possible to catch marked position (e.g. left dislocations, casus pendens) and draw pragmatic conclusions. The same in Hebrew, where Moshavi proved the default VSO order as well.
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby David Lim » July 28th, 2012, 9:06 am

RandallButh wrote:Yes, the underlying word order is V-S-O which is also the conclusion of Helma Dik in her works.

that being said, there is a lot of front positioning in Greek for many reasons and many resulting SOV examples.


I thought I might add that interrogatives tend to come first, whether they are the subject or the object. Sometimes there are syntactical constraints also such as for the relative pronoun, "ος". And then there are various idioms like "ο δε ειπεν".
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby ed krentz » July 28th, 2012, 11:37 am

Peter Streitenberger wrote:Dear Friends of Greek,

is there a consensus that the Default word order in Greek is verb-subject-object (direct-indirect) ?
This question is important - I think - because all deviation from that order would indicate a special meaning (e.g. emphasis).
Thank you for any comments
Yours
Peter


There is a good book by Dover, Greek Prose. He discusses word order, inter alia, mainly about classical Greek, not literary or non-literary koine.
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby Peter Streitenberger » September 16th, 2012, 10:50 am

Dear Ed,
thank you - I'm interested in this book. Could you name the title ?
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Re: Default word order in Greek

Postby D Ryan Lowe » June 12th, 2013, 3:04 pm

Peter Streitenberger wrote:Dear Ed,
thank you - I'm interested in this book. Could you name the title ?
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Peter, Germany


Hmmm, this question never got answered. I think Ed is referring to "The Evolution of Greek Prose Style," by Sir Kenneth Dover.
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