[B-Greek] FANTASMA & Time Reference in Matt. 14:22-27, Mk 6:45-62

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 4 18:52:58 EDT 2008


It would then seem to derive from φάσκω [FASKW] as that which is asserted or alleged.

 
“assert,” “allege” (Ac 24:9, 25:19, Rom 1:22): ct. P Par 359(b.c.163) (= UPZ i. p. 129) τῶν δʼ οὖν φασκόντων εἶναι ἐν τῶ[ι]τόπωι ὅπλα, Meyer Ostr 589(b.c.144) διὰ τὸ φάσκειν αὐτὸν μὴ εἰδέναι̣ γράμματα(a common phrase), P Oxy III. 48626(a.d.131) φάσκων κατὰ πίστιν . . [. .]. ἐ̣γ̣γ̣εγράφθαι, “asserting that it had been registered in security,” and P Ryl II. 11719(a.d.269) φάσκων εἶναι αὐτὸν δ[α]νιστὴν ἐκείνου, “professing that he was a creditor of his” (Edd.) (cf. Rev 2:2).
Moulton, J. H., & Milligan, G. (1930). The vocabulary of the Greek Testament. Issued also in eight parts, 1914-1929. (665). London: Hodder and Stoughton.
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----- Original Message ----
From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 6:35:44 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] FANTASMA & Time Reference in Matt. 14:22-27, Mk 6:45-62

>
> Mk 6:49 hOI DE IDONTES AUTON EPI THS QALASSHS PERIPATOUNTA EDOXAN
> hOTI FANTASMA ESTIN, KAI ANEKRAXAN
>
> MT 6:26 hOI DE MAQHTAI IDONTES AUTON EPI THS QALASSHS
> PERIPATOUNTA ETARACQHSAN LEGONTES hOTI FANTASMA ESTIN, KAI APO TOU
> FOBOU EKRAXAN.
>


A new thread since this is a new approach to the question:

It appears that there may be an association between FASMA,FANTASMA and  
night/darkness.

In Wisdom 17:13-15 NUKTA ... FANTASMATWN

WIS. 17:13 hOI DE THN ADUNATON ONTWS NUKTA KAI EX ADUNATOU hAiDOU  
MUCWN EPELQOUSAN TON AUTON hUPNON KOIMWMENOI  14 TA MEN TERASIN  
HLAUNONTO FANTASMATWN TA DE THS YUCHS PARELUONTO PRODOSIAi AIFNIDIOS  
GAR AUTOIS KAI APROSDOKHTOS FOBOS EPECUQH  15 EIQ hOUTWS hOS DH POT  
OUN HN EKEI KATAPIPTWN EFROUREITO EIS THN ASIDHRON hEIRKTHN  
KATAKLEISQEIS

Job (lxx)  20:8  FASMA NUKTERINON

JOB 20:8 hWSPER ENUPNION EKPETASQEN OU MH hEUREQHi EPTH DE hWSPER  
FASMA NUKTERINON

Plus a fragment from Aeschylus NUKTERWN FANTASMATWN:

8, 44.A.619a
    Athen. Deipnosof. XI 80 [• Eustath. Homer. Odyss. m 62º

    3 hAI D hEPT ATLANTOS PAIDES WNOMASMENAI

    4 PATROS MEGISTON AQLON OURANOU STEGHI

    5 KLAIESKON, ENQA NUKTERWN FANTASMATWN

NB: This doesn't nail down the original question, Was it dark when  
Jesus appeared to the twelve? but it is more language data to be taken  
into consideration.

Elizabeth Kline




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