[B-Greek] Romans 8:16: SUMMARTUREI TWi PNEUMATI

Brian Abasciano bvabasciano at gmail.com
Tue Jun 10 16:40:27 EDT 2008


But that is my point; the question has to be decided from context. That leads me to a different conclusion than you on the specific meaning in Rom 8:16 (we assess the import of the context differently), but my main point was that SUMMARTUREW with the dative could mean either "witness with" or "witness to", the specific meaning of which must be decided in Rom 8:16 from context rather than assuming the sum prefix necessitates an associative idea ("witness with").

God bless,

Brian Abasciano
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Fay 
  To: Brian Abasciano ; greek B-Greek 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Romans 8:16: SUMMARTUREI TWi PNEUMATI


  Brian,

  I tend to disagree for the simple reason of context. Much of Romans 8 contains intentional shifts by Paul, shifting from a singular Spirit to a corporate idea of spirit (PNEUMATI hHMWN here) and back again. I think Paul is using the double idea since he argues both for the place of the Spirit of God to be active in the life of believers but also for the human spirit to engage with God's Spirit to overthrow the flesh and the law. I also think verse 23 argues for this understanding of the Spirit with our spirit, if I am forced to an either or instead of a both and.

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  Cornerstone Community Church
  Wadsworth, IL
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  > From: bvabasciano at gmail.com
  > To: kline_dekooning at earthlink.net; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:03:57 -0400
  > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 8:16: SUMMARTUREI TWi PNEUMATI
  > 
  > Perhaps I should mention that I had not really read Wallace, but was going 
  > by what was said on the list about his position. Don't you agree that 
  > SUMMARTUREW with the dative could mean either "witness with" or "witness to" 
  > as seems to be commonly affirmed by commentators on Rom 8:16? And then would 
  > you not agree that it is really a matter of determining the most appropriate 
  > sense from context?
  > 
  > By the way, Wallace is very clear in his grammar that he thinks Rom 8:16 
  > does not have the associative idea in it, but that it speaks of the witness 
  > of the Holy Spirit to the human spirit, following Cranfield (wisely IMO).
  > 



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