RE: Ign. Eph. 15:3

From: James Ernest (jernest@hendrickson.com)
Date: Mon Jan 03 2000 - 12:53:34 EST


Don't koine texts commonly use phrase with hWN (? ex hwn, di hwn) as
rough equivalents for "therefore" without any concern for the historical
identify of hWN as a relative pronoun that should have an antecedent? I
don't have time to look this up properly, so don't skewer me too badly
if I'm just being dumb here.... I would try checking BDF and maybe some
searches in electronic texts.

James Ernest

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl W. Conrad [mailto:cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 12:15 PM
To: Biblical Greek
Cc: Biblical Greek
Subject: Re: Ign. Eph. 15:3

At 11:22 AM -0500 1/3/00, Bart Ehrman wrote:
> At the end of Ign. Eph. 15:3 we ready FANHSETAI PRO PROSWPOU hMWN,
EX
>hWN DIKAIWS AGAPWMEN AUTON. "He/It will be made manifest before our
face
>(i.e., he will be revealed to us OR it will be made clear to us)..."
But
>then what do you make of the plural relative hWN following the
>preposition EX?

I love these puzzles you keep throwing at us. One thought that comes to
my
mind immediately is that EX hWN is one of those prepositional phrases
introducing a clause wherein antecedent is implicitly squeezed into the
relative, so that we should understand something like EKEINA/TAUTA EX
hWN
DIKAIWS AGAPWMEN AUTON, which could conceivably be the subject of
FANHSETAI
PRO PROSWPOU hHMWN; hence: "Those factors in consequence of which we
rightly love him will be manifested before us." i.e. perhaps the subject
of
FANHSETAI is NOT Christ but rather the relative clause as a substantive.
(Well, it seemed worth trying ...)

Alternatively (I obviously don't have the larger context PRO PROSWPOU
MOU),
is there anything in the preceding text that could provide an antecedent
to
hWN? It could be neuter plural even if relatively vague.

Carl W. Conrad
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