Re: [compost_tea] Re: Chelated Materials

From: Thomas Giannou <thomas_at_tandjenterprises.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:40:43 -0700

Hi Kirk,

I'm saying that the rules Washington State has in their Materials List for =
Organic Growers say that a grower can use chelated minerals after they do a=
 plant tissue test and or a soil test. This is a rule that Washington Stat=
e is imposing. Since CT's are chocked full of chelated minerals, there MIG=
HT be a problem for organic growers in Washington State who use CT's. It a=
ll depends how WSDA views CT's. My guess is WSDA wasn't even aware that CT=
's are chock full of chelated minerals. I am waiting to hear from them.

--Thomas Giannou
http://www.tandjenterprises.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Kirk Leonard
  To: Compost Tea Group
  Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:32 PM
  Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Chelated Materials


  Goodness I didn't intend to cause this perturbation in our organic progre=
ss.
  Thomas Giannou suggests chelated materials are an NOP problem. Hmm? I
  hadn't heard that. My understanding is that this is not an issue. A
  general rule I observed there but didn't mention is organic materials can=
't
  be derived using "synthetic solvents" which to me suggest petrochemical
  extraction, per the gist of NOP rules. But there's nothing there about
  chelation, which to me is completely natural phenomenon. Diatomaceous
  earth, sand, clay, chitin, compost, all have chelation value and properti=
es.
  Minerals themselves are "chelative" as is fiber in our guts, it seems to =
me.
  How could
  chelation be an NOP question except as another USDA ruse? Am I
  misunderstanding chelation?

> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:53:30 EDT
> From: soilfoodweb_at_aol.com
> Subject: Re: Re: NOP and Yucca
>
> Sorry I'm behind in getting back to the list serve and these questions.=
  I
> just got the April e-zine off, and some of these things are addressed i=
n
> there.
>
> For example, several solid statements about what is allowed in the NOP
  rules
> about compost tea. As I sent to the list several months ago, after
> discussions all around with many poeple, including OMRI folk who have b=
een
> great working on this issue, compost tea is allowed without restriction
  under
> the NOP regs, EXCEPT all ingredients you put into the tea has to be
  approved
> by a certifying agency, like OMRI.
>
> Now, to Thomas' question. Don't mis-interpret the organic regs. The r=
egs
  do
> not say you cannot have chelated minerals in organic materials.
>
> The regs say you can't use chelated mineral PRODUCTS. Why? Because of
  the
> process by which they are made.
>
> We'd be in deep trouble in the world of compost if you couldn't use
  chelated
> minerals in organic production, because compost is chock full of them.
>
> So, presence of chelated materials is of no concern. It is if you make
> chelated mineral products, they have to be made without strong bases or
> acids, no non-approved organic materials can be used to make the chelat=
es.
> No preservatives not allowed by the certifying agencies either.
>
> OK?
>
>
> Elaine

  Sorry, Doc, and Thomas, but this does not make sense. We cannot use
  chelated mineral products but the presence of chelated materials is of no
  concern? Huh? Which of the processes by which chelated mineral products
  are made is disallowed? Why/how would anyone use synthetic solvents, bas=
e
  or acid, to cause chelation in anything? I really don't get this and look
  forward to being set straight on it. -- Kirk

  kirk_at_oregonatural.com





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